Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert the general trajectory has been upwards. Even in a bad season, we're still sitting 2nd and with a chance of reaching the CL QFs again. Not to mention it's really difficult to get it right every season when you're competing at the level we are.

My point is, for all that's not gone our way this season, it's not that bad.

    Sicario2 - Tier 1 my point is, regardless of events outside of our control, having a bad season where we perform below our level is just part of normal variance. That it happened when our nearest rival had a meltdown is frustrating but kinda irrelevant to the point I'm making.

    Us limping out the champs league and stinky Spurs winning europa and thus qualifying for champs league would be hellish

      lorddulaarsenal that’s why we need to win a trophy asap.

      Aston Villa have a decent chance of ending their 29 year trophy drought this season (with Emery in charge). Clubs like Bournemouth, Fulham, Palace and Brighton could also win a trophy for the first time in their histories this season. Hell, Newcastle have a fighting chance of winning something for the first time in 70 years this season too.

      We need to wake up soon.

        Arteta and the coaches working hard to keep the mood light ahead of PSV. Probably reading too much into it, but it would suggest the coaches are aware how trying this season has been and that a little relaxation/positivity at this point is needed to keep us light ahead of PSV.

        Sicario2 - Tier 1 so what? None of that changes my perception of us. Whilst it's nice to win stuff, plenty of second rate teams have won the competitions you're talking about.

        I'd argue that if we start to judge our season based on the winners of those trophies, we're probably in a worse spot than we are now (and not a top tier team)!

          Don Pacifico second rate teams? Such as? Yes, Man Utd were shit last year but they are not a second rate club.

          Fa cup and league cup Winners last ten years:

          2015- Arsenal
          2016 - Man Utd
          2017 - Arsenal
          2018 - Chelsea
          2019 - Man City
          2020- Arsenal
          2021- Man City
          2022 - Liverpool
          2023 - Man City
          2024 - Man Utd

          2015 - Chelsea
          2016 - Man City
          2017 - Man Utd
          2018 - Man City
          2019 - Man City
          2020- Man City
          2021- Man City
          2022- Liverpool
          2023 - Man Utd
          2024 - Liverpool

          Which one of these are ‘second rate clubs’?

          You put your nose down on Fa cup but take this trophy away would mean we have won exactly nothing since 2004 😂

          We haven’t won anything in 6 years, we don’t have a right to pick and choose trophies.

          We have some of the most arrogant fans in the world lol.

            QuincyAbeyie it’s still 20 teams
            Like it’s always been for the last 30 years. There’s still 1140 total points in a season like there’s always been. All you’re seeing is that richer, deeper clubs are creating more high performance stability throughout a season. But that means they’re taking 5-10 points from the rest of the league in the process versus prior seasons. Point is, it’s not a given you get to 85 or 90 points. You need to invest in the squad to guarantee that mean output season after season.

            So if we beat them we play Real Madrid? I don't know man