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Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert Indeed, and the eye-test tells you that Odegaard is utter shite at the moment.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

est precisely.

lorddulaarsenal

Odegaard isn’t a winner - neat and tidy but far from being a killer

Claudius

lorddulaarsenal I’d rather have Odegaard on my team and a second killer attacker in front of him. We need another elite attacker. Sharpish. Understanding that Saka is incredible but he’s not (yet) Salah or Henry. We need another Saka or better

Coombs

lorddulaarsenal you said you wanted a world class playmaker. Well, Odegaard makes plays better than almost anyone. He doesn't burst through the midfield and score long-range screamers, but that's not playmaking. Not every player can be everything.

He's been poor this season, but not much more so than anyone else. That we're so much worse without him demonstrates his value.

All the captain nonsense is all just fluff for kids to latch on to. It isn't that meaningful and it isn't the reason we lose games.

lorddulaarsenal

I want a world class playmaker and a killer attacker!

Coombs

Odegaard is a world class playmaker.

Sicario2

Coombs only thing he is world class is waving his hands in the air.

The way he hid on the pitch was sickening yesterday . Not captain material.

QuincyAbeyie

Sicario2 he was bad, but the guy you're trying to give the captain's armband instead was even worse.

Sicario2

QuincyAbeyie 1 bad game in 2025. Ode been shit since his injury.

JazzG

Sicario2 He has been shit all season, a flash here or there but when we needed him to step up he went missing. Simply not a player we can build our team around, I have been thinking that for a while now but I'm convinced now.

lorddulaarsenal

He’s not world class. To be that he needs to stand up and be counted when it matters

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Surely most of us here are old enough to have witnessed true world class midfielders at Arsenal.

RocktheCasbah

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert I know you're fed up but Odegaard has been good enough to be an 85+ points plus team's player of the season two years in a row. He's on a bad trot now, but let's not pretend that we don't know what some of the factors around his under performance are.

He's still a hugely important player for this team - as this shows:

Since Jan 1 2024, with Odegaard in the team in the Premier League Arsenal have gone 27-7-2, earning 2.3 points per match.

Without him in the team they have gone 4-2-2, earning 1.25 points per match.

https://bsky.app/profile/scott.cannonstats.com/post/3litvle7btj2b

flobaba

Yep. Unfortunately you need to be able to carry your team in these moments, singlehandedly if you're world class. When Odegaard was out and Saka was fit, Saka was still being superbly productive and impactful. Goals, assists, lots of attention / resources to limit him.

It's Odegaard's turn. And he's the captain. He should be doing more, pulling us through. He hasn't got it.

JazzG

One of the most painful results in recent years, complete and utter garbage from us. I stayed off the forums after this, complete headloss, simply couldn't believe it.

Sicario2

RocktheCasbah
I genuinely feel that the main reason he’s been shit this season is because we didn’t win the title the previous two years as him as captain. He’s the face of the team and carrying too much baggage. He can’t handle the weight and expectation.

I think not winning the title when we should has clearly mentally damaged some players esp Ode.

awooga83

RocktheCasbah I don't know about that stat personally as the second half of the 2024 season the whole team went on a tear. Obviously Odegaard contributed to that but that was the teams recent peak I'm sure lots of players will have done well in that time it feels like an attempt to distort the data.Especially as the main criticism for him and the wider team is that they have struggled with performances this season which is where the focus should be in my view. Obviously that purple run drum the team end of last season is going to drag the numbers up. I'd be interested in that analysis for just this season.

This has been a hard moment for the team and that's when you lean on your best players, we were able to do that with Saka Ode has pretty much disappeared this season. He's certainly not at the same level as Saka and he's still not the top tier right now with output. Elite players are able to produce consistently and can navigate the tough seasons or quickly get back from them.

Claudius

Sicario2 this is gobblefunk and pifflefizz.

RocktheCasbah

Sicario2 I think not winning the title when we should has clearly mentally damaged some players esp Ode.

I mean, if you genuinely think that I'm not here to tell you you're wrong and arguing with you isn't likely to change your mind in any case, but it won't shock you to hear I don't agree with you.

RowJimmy

Sicario2
Absolute nonsense.

banduan

Coombs All the captain nonsense is all just fluff for kids to latch on to. It isn't that meaningful and it isn't the reason we lose games.

when the team does well, Odegaard is only a good captain because the team is doing well.

when the team is crap, it's crap cos Odegaard is captain.

whatever, really.

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