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Do it to yourself, you know you want to …

TambourineMan

It's over and I actually feel a little relieved. Can take my mind off football for a couple of months and start to dream again in the summer hoping for an Isak only to end up with a Sterling mk2.

Asterix

TambourineMan damn you Tambourine Man, that's exactly what's going to happen isn't it?

JazzG

Tam

JazzG He might be saying that, but this squad isn't the same animal with the same desire and approach as in the previous two seasons.

Mirth

JazzG RIP

Claudius

Tam i would rather manage some of our players into health ready for PSV right now. Obviously we cannot afford to plummet, but I want to ensure that Rice and Odegaard look like some version of their best selves by the time that game comes around.

And then it would be good if we can discover. It would be great to see good time given to all of Merino, Zinchenko, Calafiori, Bulter-Oyedeji and White, so that we can have capacity in the wars to come.

RocktheCasbah

Tam I think the problem is more that this is happening over our players dead bodies...

JazzG

Tam He has to say that, can't really come out and say its over lads lets focus on the summer instead.

Sickening thing is without the injuries I think we win the title but the club has to share the responsibility for not having enough numbers, injuries are part and parcel of the game.

awooga83

Yeah, he's going to say that but if you saw the team against West ham they were not a team that looked like they believed there was anything left in the league to play for. I could see us getting beat by Forest with the general feeling coming from the players. This feels like a very well known arsenal outcome that we've seen before.

Qwiss

Arteta is right. Its no time to just give up or start treating the league like its the Carling Cup by playing Bulter-Oyedeji and Zinchenko. Forrest are in a rough spot themselves its time to go out and show you aren't mental midgets and that your first loss in the league since November isn't going to completely rattle you.

Claudius

Qwiss just realised we play tomorrow, and then our next games are next Tuesday (PSV), then the next Sunday (United). Makes sense to keep it as full strength as possible then.

MistaT

Can't be losing to Forrest as we need gaps on them and City to ensure Top 4.

I do for see a drop in performance coming though. Just need to ensure it's mitigated by heading into the PSV tie sharp, and keeping afloat for Top 4.

Sicario2

Claudius

We got to keep it professional. The league is over but doesn’t mean our season is.

Claudius

Liverpool really have had some incredible luck. Gong through minutes data. VVD and Salah are respectively the most used outfield players in the league - doing 100% and 98% of all available minutes (having played a game more than most teams). Two future "hall of famers" available all damn season.
Quality x Suitability x Availabilty

Sicario2

Claudius 30 year old plus players in the last year of their contract tend not to get injured and usually play out of their skin. We have seen it this season with our own Partey.

Burnwinter

People need to chill out. Impervious conviction and desire to win are traits we expect and need from Arteta.

The change I'd like to see is the capacity to adapt in terms of recruitment and tactics. It's not gonna come in the next few weeks.

Claudius Liverpool really have had some incredible luck. Gong through minutes data. VVD and Salah are respectively the most used outfield players in the league - doing 100% and 98% of all available minutes (having played a game more than most teams). Two future "hall of famers" available all damn season.

This is unlikely to happen again, so we've gotta hang in, reinforce and come back stronger.

Sicario2

Over my dead body my ass

JazzG

That is the bottom line really, even if we had bought a player or two we'd be facing a massive uphill task. Simply impossible for any team to lose this many key players in this part of the season and stay in the title race.

JazzG

Agree with this but still am not entirely sure about whether anything could be done in January. If our key targets were available and we simply walked away on price then that is on us. Last summer if where we needed to make sure we didn't leave ourselves short.

Sicario2

Every season new excuse.

2022-2023 - we were never supposed to be in a title race
2023-2024- what can you do about Man City, they are machines
2024-2025 - injuries and red cards reason why we didn’t win.

What will next year excuse be?

@JazzG @RocktheCasbah @Claudius @Don Pacifico if Artera doesn’t win a trophy in 2025-2026 will you want him to stay?

JazzG

Sicario2 > @JazzG @RocktheCasbah @Claudius @Don Pacifico if Artera doesn’t win a trophy in 2025-2026 will you want him to stay?

That depends on how we do, if we are pushing for the title and competitive in the CL, that is bare minimum. It also depends on whether the club support him in the summer, if we have a big window and address our needs I don't see why we don't go and win the title. I could be delusional here but if we don't have this injury crisis we go on and win the title imo.

This idea that simply changing manager or throwing a strop and doing something for the sake of it isn't going to win us anything. Our best spell in recent years came after finishing 2nd three times under Wenger. Nor do I believe in this idea that we are entitled to win.

RocktheCasbah

Sicario2 sorry Sicario, I don't live in the black and white world you dwell in. In your world, you either win or you don't and that's fine, my uncle is the same. I think there's a bit more nuance to the 38 game Premier League season than that.

And I really struggle to understand the anger of so many posts here, given that when I came back to the forum a few years ago, our biggest problem was getting back to the top four. Now it's ”we're not going to win the league, let's sack the manager!" Make that make sense.

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