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All new UCL 24/25

Sicario2

Karma is a bitch

No Liverpool or City in the CL. Make no mistake we are the strongest English team left in the tournament.

Claudius

jones

Bunch of technical midgets in midfield and a ridiculously fluid frontline vs juicing mentality machines. Football won

Burnwinter

daredevil It's not a linear thing, but Havertz and Saka's legs would disagree. Have we ever seen a season where fixture congestion without rotation has hurt us more?

Burnwinter

Bang average Liverpool side with a couple of old horses about to break down, they're just fucking lucky and nothing more.

awooga83

Burnwinter I mean if that's true what does that say about us act if you point to injuries last season we were very lucky getting that run in the second half I'd the season. The difference is we couldn't win the title. I'm not saying Liverpool are the best ever team but they will have proven themselves better then us if they deliver the title.

JazzG

Tactics PSG players weren't impressed with Liverpool after the 1st leg, they felt both us and Bayern were better

[(https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2025/psg-left-surprised-by-liverpools-level-and-time-wasting-antics///)]

Their reaction after that game was very interesting. They felt they were the better team and wanted to go all out and fancied themselves against Liverpool. The general consensus was Liverpool nicked it and they'd finish them off at Anfield but PSG genuinely thought differently and probably thought they had been shafted a bit especially with Konate not being sent off. PSG rested a lot of players on the weekend and all their focus was on this game and it has paid off for them.

JazzG

Sicario2 here was Salah this game? He was in Mendes pocket two games running. Best player in the world my ass.

jones

RowJimmy

awooga83 They will have proven themselves better than we were last season if they finish with more points than we did. City's performance last season is an independent variable. The fact that neither we nor City (nor anyone else) is able to go on the run City went on last season is not a virtue of Liverpool.

flobaba

GooneriC bet he's linked to us this summer.

Oh, okay, I'll go one further...

Bet we get him. 😎

awooga83

RowJimmy we also went on a crazy run with plenty of food luck last year.. It's not that Liverpool are great because it's that bit they had their kick e this year and look like they will seal the title. We had our luck last year and we couldn't use that to win the title. And it wasn't city that was the problem losing to Fulham, West ham and villa. Particularly the latter it was in our hands but we couldn't cope with it. I mean if Liverpool aren't really rated well an arsenal that has not won the title has to be viewed below this team.

Coombs

I love Luis Enrique. Best coach out there.

tazmania

JazzG said the same thing earlier, reminded me of a Wenger team. They are impressive

lorddulaarsenal

Lovely stuff. Takes a bit of shine off Liverpool’s season

Claudius

lorddulaarsenal a Newcastle win the the cup would be epic. Pool have already won league basically. It would all feel a little hollow in last 2 months

Sicario2

Claudius nah fuck Newcastle. Let them continue to go trophyless. Liverpool winning the league cup means close to nothing

Don Pacifico

awooga83 And it wasn't city that was the problem losing to Fulham, West ham and villa. Particularly the latter it was in our hands but we couldn't cope with it.

I keep seeing this point being made and I struggle to get to grips with it.

Every top team will have results where they felt they should have done better. That we happened to have a few more than City did last season doesn't make us failures.

Accepting we had a good season last year isn't mutually exclusive from accepting we should have done better this season.

awooga83

Don Pacifico we were good but not good enough to convert a very good run with plenty of luck ourselves into a title. We were good but we won nothing in the long run that won't matter how we nearly won a title. I'm more worried that we moan about bad luck but we couldn't win when we had the luck running with us so it seems a bit irrelevant to say look how lucky Liverpool are when we had a similar run but we couldn't deliver at the end.

Tam

Don Pacifico That we happened to have a few more than City did last season doesn't make us failures.

In the context of chasing a league title, it absolutely does.

Gurgen

awooga83 Our main rivals last season didn't have multiple month injuries to all their starting attackers and 5 red cards.

Don Pacifico

awooga83 for what it's worth, I don't get the Liverpool luck narrative either! There comes a point where you have to accept they've just been better.

And I'm not saying we should be content with coming 2nd but last season shouldn't be used as a criticism of our progression because it was in fact a testament to our progression.

Tam this is such a binary summation of the situation though without any acknowledgement of the context (ie. We achieved our highest points total in an incredibly long time and got to a CL QF for the first time in a decade or so).

Again, I acknowledge that this season has been below expectation and progress means nothing if we don't win anything but I don't think we should be reframing last season as a failure. I see no reason why we can't rectify things next season.

awooga83

Gurgen we got an insane run of results and no injuries to key players that we played a lot. It's not like for like but we had a run that was unlikely to repeat and we couldn't use that luck to deliver us a title.

flobaba

Gurgen I think this is so obvious, yet important to highlight. I feel like folks are being quite irrational about their expectation adjustment for this season considering all that’s gone down.

Imagine Barcelona without Yamal, Lewandowski or Raphinha. Or Real without Mbappe, Vini Jr and Rodrygo, and where Bellingham missed basically a third of the season.

Or Liverpool without just Salah.

It’s disappointing that we are not competing for the title this season, but if there’s ever been a season where the manager/team deserves a pass, it’s this one.

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