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MistaT

I’m expecting something far closer to £30 million for ESR.

Love him but he hasn’t shown much for two years now and the game moves fast. Crystal Palace will want (need) to turn a solid profit from selling Olise (for £60m) which they won’t do if they then buy ESR for £40m.

Burnwinter

I'd take £25m if that's all that's on the table. There's very little prospect of Smith Rowe starting to be favoured by Arteta again. £30m plus add-ons would be great. There's no way after languishing for two full seasons he's in Palmer or Olise's price bracket.

Qwiss

Burnwinter I'd take £25m if that's all that's on the table.

If its that low its another Edu special. We should keep him if its less than £30m and with that you'd want a lot of add ons.

People are talking about the Palmer deal like its happening this summer. He was less of a proven quantity last season.

CPM

A month ago I think we would all have signed for £30m for ESR, that would be very good business. I think Fulham would be a very good situation for him, and the move would reflect well on our academy.

Burnwinter

Emile likely has a very solid league career ahead of him, it just won't be with us sadly. Meanwhile there's a half decent chance we'll see Nwaneri and Lewis-Skelly in preseason, so onward and upward ... it would be a delight to see either of those two have a breakout season.

HomeSteak

Burnwinter

Qwiss I don't think that'll prove to be realistic, hope you're right though. We've mismanaged his situation by not giving him chances and this is the cost—but it's been subject to the success we've had so fair play I guess.

goon

Comparisons are always funny. I mean if you're going to compare with the sale of a young talent that hasn't been able to make the grade at his current club, surely Odegaard is a more like for like comparison...

It could be argued that with Palmer Chelsea are paying a 'hope' premium, while with Ode and ESR their true value has been depressed.

Better to look at each transfer on it's own merit, and on that basis, I think ESR is easily worth £30m+, and that's with injuries factored in. Otherwise as Qs says we may as well keep him.

Burnwinter

goon Otherwise as Qs says we may as well keep him.

We shouldn't keep hold of him unless he's expected to get 1,500 minutes, a proper Tomiyasu level, squad player contribution at minimum. It's a sad waste of his career and costs us his wages. Can't see how he gets them over Trossard, Martinelli, Havertz, Rice and Jesus who are the alternates in his area of the pitch.

Burnwinter

goon I mean if you're going to compare with the sale of a young talent that hasn't been able to make the grade at his current club, surely Odegaard is a more like for like comparison...

If Øde were the reference point, Smith Rowe would've been excelling on loan to a club like Villa or Dortmund. I just don't see it. We all know Smith Rowe's sky high potential, but he's injury prone and has barely played in two full seasons. He's not similar to Ødegaard or Olise. Take it with a grain of salt, but Transfermarkt reckons he's worth €22m, down from a peak of €40m (€70m Martinelli, €35m Trossard). I'll be shocked if we get £30m at this point. If we keep him, it'll be less in the future.

TambourineMan

Getting fair fees for ESR, Nelson and Nketiah in the same summer would be great work by Edu and team.

daredevil

Smith Rowe and Palmer aren't comparable. The former has baggage that the latter didn't have, which is why we're considering selling him in the first place. Without that baggage (injuries), he would be a key part of our squad.

Qwiss

Burnwinter If he goes we'll probably sign someone to replace him so unless its an upgrade I don't see the point in selling.

JazzG

Don Pacifico

JazzG would bite their hand-off for between £15-20m.

samthegooner

I'd be more than happy with £15-20m for Nelson. Realistically, if we could get the following, I would be over the moon:

Nelson: £10-15m
Nketiah: £20-25m
ESR: £25-40m
Ramsdale: £25-40m
Partey: £10-20m
Kiwior: £15-25m

That would be £105m at a minimum. We would likely need to address some homegrown requirements to make up for the loss of Nelson/Nketiah/ESR/Ramsdale but I think that giving Nwaneri some first team minutes would help there. What will hurt us is if we do more loans with options to buy - I would even take selling at a bit of a discount on the low end of these ranges as opposed to more loans with options.

MistaT

All realistic numbers @samthegooner

More important to get the lot shipped than niggling over £5-10m per deal. At least a few of those will be on decent wages with Nelson and Nketiah on recent deals, and Partey having signed a big contract.

banduan

probably unpopular opinion but if we can't get big money for Rambo I'd rather we keep him.

Qwiss

banduan we should definitely keep him if we can't sell well. I feel like he's going to end up on loan though which would be a really poor use of resources given what we paid and how recently.

JazzG

Feared this would happen, he's on big wages and clearly declining so not surprising a lot of clubs not in for him.

Qwiss

JazzG its the problem with have players over 30 on big contracts. Usually you aren't moving them on. I doubt the club ever really thought they'd sell him on for a decent sum anyway. With his injury issues its amost impossible. Think we are likely to just let him run down his deal. I've a feeling our main issue when it comes to sell to buy at the moment is the wage bill and we need to move big earners to bring in big earners.

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