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115 Charges FC

Gazza M

'tyranny of the majority' haha. authoritarians are fully mask off these days

Burnwinter

Gazza M It's so inconsistent when the only point they've got that lands is that United's impregnable financial might is an unfair artefact of history. A point you can't imagine, say, Arsenal daring to put forward with such an engineered lack of self-reflection.

banduan

very much a hail Mary. Reeks of desperation.

Gazza M

barney ronay had a piece in the guardian that summed up what I said to one of my mates when this news broke. basically, how trumpian citys tactics are. brazenly break the rules, then proceed to gaslight people into viewing them as a victim, and start to undermine/attack the process. even their supporters argue like trumpsters, just endless strawman whataboutism.

Burnwinter

Gazza M DARVO is the acronym that gets used to describe certain rape trial defences … "deny, attack and reverse victim and offender"

So we're expected to credit that City Group has been hard done by, that the rest of the league are tyrants, and that Manchester City's persistent flouting of the collectively agreed financial regulations is a natural expression of the organisation with no clear link to its winning six titles in seven seasons.

Claudius

Burnwinter it’s an audacious position by City - perhaps hoping that enough owners would want to advance the agendas of affiliated company sponsorship/ multi-club ownership - a org that United and Chelsea are already on.

The other thing that is likely happening here is that City is just tying up the league in legal preparation and fees at a time when the league should be focusing resources on the 115 charges. City will always have the ability to throw hundreds of lawyers at this case, but the league has a finite budget, so this will in the end advantage City in the war.

Gazza M

I bet theyre arrogant enough to think they've sufficiently sportswashed their reputation over the last 15 years, and poisoned football culture enough, to the point that they believe they've moved the goalposts enough that public opinion might actually be on their side. the dangerous thing is, if you allow another 10 years of this, society might be dumbed down enough to fall for it. hopefully the wider football community keeps it a buck, and city are left scratching their heads when the court of public opinion blows them up the same way it blew up the super league

Gurgen

Claudius You can have all the lawyers you want but when you have emails literally saying "pay us the money you're not allowed to pay us through entity X so they won't find out", I really don't know why that should matter. A monkey should be able to win the case against City. Then again it's the UK so anything is possible I guess.

As a lawyer myself, I've taken some borderline shameful positions in my career. But reading those City arguments I truly wonder how anyone can make those statements without blinking or bursting out laughing. It's just next level clutching at straws on a level that is too childish even for a high school moot court. "Others are in London and can charge higher ticket prices and that's super unfair so I must be allowed to pump unlimited money in from the Gulf"? Jesus...

Burnwinter

Claudius The other thing that is likely happening here is that City is just tying up the league in legal preparation and fees at a time when the league should be focusing resources on the 115 charges

The fact they're suing over the delays is a strong sign of this. The whole exercise looks ulterior, they're just hoping to reduce or avoid penalties with this tactic of attacking the league's foundations.

Introducing the element that the league and its agencies are themselves commercial entities with their own conflicts and hazards is vaguely legitimate. I've been feeling that about PGMOL over the VAR controversies. But again, it's strictly ulterior. City Group obviously couldn't give a fuck about probity.

goon

The good news is people are starting to see the wolf behind the sheep costume. Finally getting some negative pieces in the media.

That Boehly is supporting them shows what a moron he is. Want’s to show an extra 15m on his sponsorship deals so is willing back the guys who can afford to boost their deals by billions.

Segway

Reading Ronay's piece on the situation, it seems inevitable that City are going to destroy the PL with their army of lawyers and the political ties between England and UAE means the government is not going to intervene.

Bring back the Super League unless something drastic happens and City are thrown out of the league system.

Claudius

Burnwinter it’s called lack of foresight. Too often businesses like to boldly jump into massive revenue opportunities without the proper due diligence. Everyone said bringing in oligarchs and nation states into the ownership community would have dire consequences, but the Premier league focused on the short term gains of accumulating the best players.

This is what they’ve sown. As much as I loathe City, all of this was very easily avoidable if the league had taken a a principled approach to keep nations and affiliated actors from owning and sponsoring teams.

Gurgen

A prohibition on certain parties owning clubs would have led to protracted legal action as well, not in the least before the EU courts which were competent back then. I wouldn’t rule out that they would have done something equally stupid as Bosman and rubber stamped the death of football forever.

goon

The UK government put huge pressure on the Premier League to approve the Saudi takeover of Newcastle too. If states threaten to hold back billions in investment in the UK, they're not going to give a shit about sporting integrity in football.

banduan

JazzG

banduan Absolutely ridiculous but like goon says the fault is with the PL for not tightening their rules.

goon

Fair enough tbf, that's on the PL for leaving that loophole open when they knew it was already happening in the EFL who then closed it.

PL only now tried and failed to close that loophole. Apparently they'll try again.

Gurgen

It's not all that easy though. You have to keep in mind that from a competition law point of view each club is a separate undertaking and the clubs are considered to be competitors. I.e. every agreement they make is considered to be an agreement between competitors. Many of these agreements are by definition restrictions of competition by object and need to rely on an exemption in order to survive (some kind of overriding principle, to keep things simple). Even e.g. the agreement to sell TV rights collectively, which has been tested and found to be allowed by various courts over time. The PL, in other words the clubs who are competitors, agreeing that their competitors cannot do X or Y otherwise they cannot compete in the league attracts scrutiny. Each time a new type of agreement which has not been previously found to be allowed is put forward, it is open to attack based on competition law and back in the good old days also free movement rules. Scumbags like City know this all too well and exploit it.

Burnwinter

Gurgen I don't see how the clubs can be regarded as pure competitors in business (not football) terms, even if that's how it works legally (which I'm willing to believe).

The value of each club is impacted by health of the Premier League as an overall entertainment offering, as valued by the rights deals ...

Seems to me it's in the clubs' owners' average interests to be collegiate with each other, prevent financial meltdowns, allow everyone to make enough money to put together a semi-credible team, and so on. City's dominance has been harmful for the product.

Football clubs are not ordinary businesses.

Claudius

I’m just glad that little City is fighting the “tyranny of the majority” and “discrimination” against Arabs. They’re the justice warriors we’ve been waiting for.

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