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Raya joins Arsenal

QuincyAbeyie

I don't think having two good goalkeepers is innovation. Plenty of clubs have had that. It just always ends up with one of them, the one considered better, playing as long as he's fit. The exceptions are where there's one cup GK and one league GK. If he rotates GKs every other match based on the opposition, I guess that would be some kind of innovation. Never seen that,as far as I can remember.

I don't really buy Arteta's comments about "why shouldn't you sub your goalie in the 70th minute?" etc. because if he really meant that then he'll start doing it, and I'm betting he won't.

Burnwinter

QuincyAbeyie if he really meant that then he'll start doing it

Now he's said that much, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it as if just to prove the point, eh ... especially since he linked it back to his own courage as a manager.

Clrnc

And passing out from the back is not entirely new. We have always had that under Wenger, its just that in the past defenders are not allowed to be in the box during goalkicks. Once the rule changed Wenger was the first to put defenders in the box to receive a pass.

goon

Clrnc

Passing out the back wasn't new but passing out the back vs an organised high press definitely was. Teams in the early-mid era Wenger days rarely dared to press us, and when they started towards the end of his reign is where we started to struggle. Don't forget how novel and terrifying it was when Emery came in and tried to do it with Cech in goal.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Clrnc really? Around when did Wenger start doing that?

HomeSteak

goon My god, I still think about that season. Cech - Bellerin - Sokratis - Mustafi .... Unai really had no chance. Also, I still hate Cech so much.

Clrnc

goon are you confusing the timeline, wasn't Cech struggling in goal the Wenger era? At that was when the rule change came in where you can pass within the box.

When Emery came it was mostly Leno already

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

HomeSteak playing that loser in the EL final when his move to Chelsea was already arranged. Pathetic.

goon

Nope. Cech started the first few games under Emery, it's burned into my memory.

By the time Leno came in we already started to water it down and eventually abandoned it because it was such a disaster. A lot like ETH and De Gea.

RocktheCasbah

goon Nope. Cech started the first few games under Emery, it's burned into my memory.

Like when he nearly scored an own goal trying to pass out from the back about two minutes into our first game of that season? 😱😱🤣

Mirth

A lot of the discussion is because Ramsdale is the heir apparent to the England number one shirt and he has a few friends in the media.

RocktheCasbah

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert that's how far we done fell right? Four years on, that decision still rankles.

daredevil

Something that has flown under the radar is that Brighton has rotated keepers more times than we have, with Steele starting thrice and Verbruggen starting twice. De Zerbi is also on record stating that he has two quality goalkeepers who will play 50% of the time.

Funny how the media isn't talking about that.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

daredevil

Good point but we are far bigger story than Brighton and Ramsdale is English/media darling.

Don Pacifico

Hasn't the Brighton situation been due to injury?

Dropping Ramsdale is definitely a bigger story than dropping Steele who wasn't first choice at the start of last season (and had no PL experience at that point) anyways.

daredevil

Don Pacifico

The dropped goalkeeper was on the bench in all 5 league games, so it was clear rotation by Brighton.

Personally, I agree with the consensus that Raya is number 1 and there won't be the kind of rotation that Arteta is alluding to. Ramsdale will likely play in the cups and that's it.

But this idea that you can't rotate goalkeepers is a limiting belief like every other, up until you can do it. Brighton are doing it as we speak.

lorddulaarsenal

This guy is superb. Anticipates things so well, is agile, his handling is quality and he’s mint on the ball.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

This guys passing is unreal. He’s basically Ramsdale 2021-2022 on steroids.

First home clean sheet of the season with Raya in goal. No coincidence.

Don Pacifico

Let's see how he does when he's tested a bit more. Easy game again today but did his job well.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Don Pacifico
It’s like you are waiting for him to fail to prove your point.

Either way, whether you like it or not, Raya is our undisputed number 1.

invisibleman18

Don Pacifico That's where I am too. Been a good start and he looks calm and composed on the ball in the sweeper sort of role behind the defence and he's played some nice long balls. But even he kicked one into the stands in our half under no pressure in the first half today and did something similar in the second half when he held onto the ball a fraction too long so it's not perfect. Two games we've dominated and he's not been under any significant pressure or really had to make a save yet so will reserve judgement on some of the more traditional aspects of goalkeeping for now. This weekend's game should be a tougher test.
Not about "wanting him to fail." Just need to see more evidence to determine a significant upgrade as he's not really been tested yet.

Don Pacifico

Sicario2 - Tier 1 not really, I'm just not yet on the hype train. At no point have I said he hasn't done well but he's also not been tested.

Coombs

Undisputed no matter how many dispute it.

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