DiabyKungFu 0 passes completed from right back. He looks like he was born to defend wingers, but it would be nice to have at least one good on-the-ball day at some point.

Read on opta that apparently Havertz somehow didn't complete a single pass all game which is mind blowing. Like no way is that true, is it?

He's hardly played any football so might be a bit of rusticness but his passing does need to be better.

Dunno if it was just down to injury but a good move using him yesterday ahead of White. White does struggle a bit against nimble wingers whereas Timber has looked rock solid against them.

Big Willie Havertz is less surprising than Timber given that Kai was up on his own and trying to win flick ons etc

JazzG Dunno if it was just down to injury but a good move using him yesterday ahead of White. White does struggle a bit against nimble wingers whereas Timber has looked rock solid against them.

White was injured. And he came on and still
Played second half. Arteta says he’d run through a wall for the team.

I don’t respect White’s game. Y’all know this. Think he’s pretty basic. But, his attitude cannot be questioned. Hope he gets better soon. Timbers versatility is a great attribute to this end. We have done a great job building this current squad despite all the naysaying about Artetas penchant for defenders, which has come in extremely useful as we can now see. The likes of Tomi and Zinchenko can play in the less important competitions or in trash minutes for easier games, and give the first teamers a break.

Saying you dont respect White's game is pretty harsh. I don't think he's that basic, i think he is a good defender who was converted to a RB and has played really well for us. I just think back to Chelsea last year, that was not real basic to me. Does Timber offer something he doesnt? Sure, hes much better on the ball for sure. But Benny has put in a lot of good crosses and overlaps well, especially when Ode is playing and has a good rapport with Saka. And he is a great shithouser, and can defend well also.

White's link up with Saka and Odegaard is top notch, whether it's under or overlapping, he times it all to perfection.

A "basic" footballer wouldn't be able to carry out all the roles Ben White does to such a high level in this football team. And he is the literal embodiment of the "mentality monster" phrase used elsewhere on this forum.

I love the guy honestly. One of my favourite players on the team.

flobaba I don’t respect White’s game. Y’all know this. Think he’s pretty basic. But, his attitude cannot be questioned. Hope he gets better soon. Timbers versatility is a great attribute to this end. We have done a great job building this current squad despite all the naysaying about Artetas penchant for defenders, which has come in extremely useful as we can now see. The likes of Tomi and Zinchenko can play in the less important competitions or in trash minutes for easier games, and give the first teamers a break.

Peak disrespect for a core squad member TBF.

USArsenal I know. It's just me. He's not my type of full back because he doesn't know how to carry the ball. He is intelligent enough and a decent defender all told, works well within the system. But hey, not my type.

flobaba yeah. But Arteta doesn’t play with flying fullbacks for the most part. He plays with a back 3 oe 4 to shut up shop. And then he uses the midfield and attack to score.
He’s in line with what Mikel likes. Big, physical. Can play inside or outside. Can play as a traditional fullback or a lot in as a third centre back. He’s an important asset on set pieces.
On top of that he has a critical asset that you can’t sneer at : availability. Before yesterday, he had started over 70 straight games. Which other fullback has given us that?

Claudius Before yesterday, he had started over 70 straight games. Which other fullback has given us that?

Not quite. He got injured around the time of the Brentford away game last season and missed a couple of starts. But other than that, as you say, super available - even minus a pair of working hamstrings. He's a hero really.

RocktheCasbah yeah. He’s a massive asset. I also like that he’s a protector. One of the first to get stand up for others when it gets tasty. Important part of our new culture

Mirth I hope we don't go down that road into being overly protective and defensive. All for building a strong base and having a team focus on defence. But line up changes like that reek of lacking conviction in your team and attack, and compromising too much compensate. We are already and overly defensive attacking team - by which I mean we've done to death the impact defensive duties have on the likes of Saka and Martinelli. That sort of line up will not free them up to do less work, it will just make us drop deeper and effectively function like we did against City wtih 10 men. We'll be a low block and counter attacking team, with Odegaard nullified and Havertz looking for long balls.

Tam we scored 2 goals fewer than the great entertainers all last season. we find ways to score.

Claudius There are guys that talk the talk and guys that walk the walk. Benny Blanco is definitely in the latter. I don't think there's a single City player that isn't in the former. He was ready to put Haaland in the dirt if Arteta gave him the nod at the end there and I loved it. The clips of him in the past grabbing Foden by the collar after a game were so good.

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