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Kai Havertz

Burnwinter

https://www.cannonstats.com/p/kai-havertz-the-debrief

Cannon Stats' Havertz take isn't bad. Their writer reckons Havertz will probably be a better than expected finisher but a limited creator, and that playing in an organised team will lift the rest of his game, the off the ball aspects of which are already credible. However, they also think we've paid a 20% or so premium on the fee.

lorddulaarsenal

He’ll be a huge creator. More technically adept than Xhaka and has high ability to bring wide players in to play or tee up teammates in and round the box.

TambourineMan

If Partey stays, what's his role going to look like?

lorddulaarsenal

Who Partey’s or Havertz?

TambourineMan

Probably both.

I'd assume Ode and Rice are locks. Then maybe rotation between Rice and Havertz depending on the quality of the opposition? With Rice moving to the 8 position when Partey comes in. They'll be enough games to around and we can 'save' Partey for the big games.

Or does Partey just have to go?

lorddulaarsenal

Havertz will primarily take Xhaka’s spot but could rotate to cover Odegaard and maybe Jesus.

Rice will be a nailed on so it’d be Partey that would be used sparingly. Think he’ll get sold though. If we get a younger player like Lavia, they’ll be used for depth but if we go big like Tchouameni then Havertz may see reduced match time

Phil

Just play Rice and Partey against big teams, along with Odegaard. In most games, play one provided enough players are fit. Between the FA cup, CL, PL and league cup, they will all play more than enough games. I don't think we should overthink this too much.

KingslandBarge

Its possible we're robbed of that versatility, if Saka tweaks or pulls something. I sincerely hope not, but just wary his load has been immense whilst he's been still developing physiologically. If that happens and Saka goes out for 2 months, could see Kai potentially going out wide, may be even ahead of Trossard or Nelson? Yeah I am not in a rush to find out and happy to just see what the initial configurations tell us. Hopefully there is an established method by October.

Qwiss

I think the way we attack may suit Havertz more than Chelsea did because I often watched him try to break the lines and feed off through balls and he was very poor, seemed to struggle to bring the ball under control in that situation and get his shot away. Where as with us I think he'll be coming onto cut backs a lot more where everything is in front of him and he'll be better able to get his shots and passes off.

Gazza M

our patterns are also better rehearsed than the rabble he was in at Chelsea. someone with his intelligence and instincts will look better when he can predict where the spaces and opportunities are going to be

Don Pacifico

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66196581

Don't think this has been mentioned elsewhere but thought this was an interesting comment from Arteta. I'm inclined to believe this is his classic 'smoke and mirrors' routine where he's looking to misdirect our opposition, in the same way that he focussed on Zinchenko's versatility when we signed him but then had a very clear idea of how he wanted to play him, which in turn unseated quite a few opponents. Think he's looking for Havertz to be this year's joker card.

Either that or he genuinely doesn't know where Havertz will play! 😂

Qwiss

Don Pacifico he definitely knows where he wants to play him. It just Arteta managing the media in case he has to move him early on due to squad issues.

HomeSteak

how was he yesterday?

Pepe LeFrits

I thought he looked promising, played more or less how you'd expect him to as an 8. Quite a lot of aggressive off the ball running into the box, but nobody was able to pick him out. Would have liked to have seen him involved with the first half eleven, it was pretty chaotic in the second half with so many changes and weird positions. Suspect it make it may take him a little while to get to grips with the deeper aspects of the 8 role. He looked like a forward dropping back I thought

goon

Qwiss

Yeah, you can tell from the little comments from both of them that he's intended to play in midfield - i.e. as an 8.

The versatility is just a bonus.

Burnwinter

If Arteta does get Havertz playing brilliantly at left 8, it will be up there with Dein and Wenger's finest rescue missions.

TambourineMan

Yikes...

Burnwinter

TambourineMan 😬 💀 🦨

Qwiss

TambourineMan why is America like this?

flobaba

Burnwinter it’s actually scarily bad. I’ll put it down to fatigue from all the hard preseason training, maybe some nerves as well… (fingers crossed)

flobaba

Qwiss lol. Everything’s a circus. The land of the hotdog eating contest, where Corn hole tossing is a televised sport. Why not bring fifa training mode challenge skills into real life? Are you not entertained?

HomeSteak

First touch looks great

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