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Kai Havertz

CPM

I would have no problem with Kai as our starting CF next year. Left wing is a much bigger problem for us.

Mirth

Meatwad From what I can tell, we'll be hoping for that same bet even if we get someone in from outside.

We should probably still take that bet to improve our odds to have one good striker but there's definitely a roll of the dice either way.

QuincyAbeyie

A positive is that I see his biggest fault as waiting too long to shoot, or hesitating to the point where he needs to pass instead. It sounds like a fixable problem to me.

Gazza M

havertz and jesus are providing modern day version of the 'who was better - giroud or lacazette?' debates. I think when both are on it, theyre very useful players and the overall impact they make is roughly the same, but neither are the quite level we need.

Claudius

Meatwad i sincerely hope that he has another level to unlock because this current level isn't good enough for where we want to be.

7 goals and 4 assists in his last 10 games, the majority in the centre forward role. Seems fine to me. Solve the centre mid with a fit Partey replacement and get an elite left wing.

Burnwinter

Havertz has run hard since he got here and continues to play out full matches end on end. He's an exceptional athlete, he might have the best durability of any Arsenal centre forward yet seen.

Said it before, but if he maintains this 1 in 2, 2 in 3 sort of pace till the final match day, it would be inefficient to obsess over upgrading him. I question whether Vlahovic or Gyökeres does any better than this after making the shift to England.

What we need is a forward signing with exceptional coachability, technique, skill on the ball, and ball striking, who can conceptually play in a line-up with either or both Saka and Havertz.

I would take a younger player with great potential over a marquee name if need be, but let's be real, a prospect like Mudryk turns out to be below the mark we now need. Players like him aren't smart enough for Artetaball.

Burnwinter

Panda

Thank god he found his shooting boots in the 2nd half 😆 His celebrations made me love him even more. First time he's scored 2 goals for us in a match. Keep it up Kai!

Daz

Maybe instead of getting another striker we should focus on getting the best shooting coach (if that's a thing) on the planet - like one of those random 5 star Brazilian coaches on FM!!

Qwiss

Daz nah get a striker. We need someone a tier up and Kai can be a plan b striker as well as a rotation midfielder.

Claudius

Qwiss a Salah type on the left wing would be ideal for me. Plus another connective midfielder. Then we will get another 3-5 points out of this team.

Tam

Qwiss I reckon next season he has the capacity to be a reliable 20+ league scorer. Not the perfect fit, not without drawbacks, but a significant improvement on the Jesus of today. Anything else is also a gamble whereas he's proven to an extent.

I don't like him in that midfield role. I think we're worse as a team and his biggest and best influence comes from further forward. He's not the elite number 9 we'd all love, but given there are so few of them out there, and the ones that are are either are trading on potential, untested in the league, or a mix of both, I think Havertz is the right option for CF if it allows us to go big elsewhere. The gains to be made in the wide positions are potentially larger.

Qwiss

Claudius Salah is a generational talent, there is only one left sided player at that level now and its Mbappe. We'd all love that player but its like saying we just need a new Thierry up top. At the moment our left side is Martinelli or Trossard, I'm comfortable with both. On the right its Saka and no one. Up top its Havertz and Jesus. Jesus constantly has fitness issues and needs another big surgery in the summer. Even when fit he's flaky in front of goal, we need to go big on a striker.

goon

Kai has only 6 non-penalty goals fewer than the best dedicated goalscorer on the planet, and he hasn't even played up top all season + had a difficult first few months.

He's also scoring in line with his xG.

I don't expect him to be prolific to be fair but can definitely see him scoring 15+ relatively consistently.

Before anyone says that's not enough, have a look around Europe to see which centre forwards are scoring more than that. It's a tiny list.

Big Willie

goon He's also scoring in line with his xG.

Ah, that's because he doesn't shoot when he gets in position.

Qwiss

He's great when we are in full flow. Has a great understanding with Odegaard and makes brilliant off the ball runs but he was pretty poor in the CL and we need something different as well as him. Someone who can create something for themselves on the ball. Last week everyone was saying he was over played and needed a rest. If we don't sign a striker who gives him a rest? Eddie?

goon

Qwiss

Everyone in that front line was poor in the CL because the ball didn't get up there. As for who we play, we have Jesus and Trossard.

I'm not against signing a CF, we need additions in the front line, but based on the guys put forward by Ornstein I'm really not that convinced CF if the easiest place to do it, the wing feels like it provides more options.

Clrnc

He is still wasteful in front of goals and makes too many wrong decisions IMO, but because he keep trying and never gives up he more or less will still pose a threat the entire match.

We still need a new striker, don't be fooled

Qwiss

goon Jesus isn't reliable, he's constantly injured and not good enough when he's fit. We have players in all areas now, the question is where we can upgrade to improve. Trossards up front should only be used in an emergency.

I don't want someone like Gyokeres. I think theres room to take a punt on some of the younger linked players because Kais form gives them a bit of breathing room to settle.

Clrnc

Qwiss basically a Zirkee

JazzG

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