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Kai Havertz

Tam

Gurgen The people are assets, or liabilities in the case of the recent Arsenal review.

JazzG

awooga83 You don't even know why they have been laid off but already taken a side.

Big Willie Champ

JazzG You don't even know why they have been laid off but already taken a side.

I mean according to the Athletic the club has said the reason is because

Arsenal have told staff that redundancies at the club are being planned.

The club told staff the intention is to make 60 positions redundant in a bid to make significant savings, with cuts set to be across a number of departments.

You think there are mysterious, hidden reasons beyone what the club just said is a cost cutting exercise? What's more likely?

The club firing these 60 people because they have been poor performers/were not adhering to the club's ethical ethos (haha)/were breaking confidentiality clauses/whatever else you can think of.

Senior management focussing their penny pinching (sorry the club said "savings makings") in areas which have the least financial impact (ah the good old covid days where needed to cover costs by sacking another 60 odd staff and Gunnersaurus).

It's well beyond the time where we think the club is the classy club we thought it was whilst we were growing up. From the Partey situation, ESL fiasco, our deals with Visit Rawanda/Deel, those with the Emirates, how we are doing what we laughed at United for doing when they got rid of the support staff at their club a couple years back.

We just aren't that classy a club. Let me be clear, I don't think we're anywhere near the worst, but since football became such a commercial commodity I don't think there are (m)any clubs at the top of the game which aren't morally corrupt to a certain extent.

JazzG

Big Willie Champ Big businesses sometimes need to lay people off, it really isn't as deep as people are making it out. It could be for cost cutting purposes, it could be because those jobs have become redundant or it could be those people aren't pulling their weight.

Any good business is always looking at ways to improve, whether that is cost cutting or rejigging to get the best people behind the project.

awooga83

JazzG big businesses are also incredibly shitty too in the way they behave so it could just be classic greed which overwhelming drives their motivation.

Mirth

JazzG you're right. It isn't deep.

JazzG

awooga83 I'm not denying they are or saying Arsenal are completely in the right here either but a club has to be run like a business not a charity. It is sad in the lead up to Christmas and a shit economy people are losing their job but it is the responsibility of the people who run this club to do what is in the best interest of the club. Whether that comes to players, coaches or other staff members.

This video sums up a lot of my views on this.

Claudius

This is a normal part of operating a business. It sucks for affected employees and their families. Not sure what the rules are in UK, but I hope they are providing the employees the relevant separation support like notice, payouts, recruitment support.

Sometimes the nature of work changes. I’m seeing banks in SA for example struggling with what to do with folks on branches and call centres as more work joes online. It’s not easy to redeploy folks given changing customer behaviors, so you’re hiring more tech folks and reducing service staff. Not sure what’s driving Arsenal redundancies but there might be similar adjustments.

JazzG

Claudius Agreed, we are living in times of change and businesses need to adapt to that change. Sometimes the solution is technological but sometimes it is reducing headcount in one department and expanding in others.

awooga83

Claudius companies do this stuff sure because they all operate ruthlessly and often like to bully those with less power but it doesn't mean they are 'good' and arsenal are just another greedy corporate entity on that front. As s I said they often overpay all the guys at the top totally disgustingly compared to what they contribute and there's never a question about should we cut that fat nah those guys down the bottom.

It's the nature of companies to be greedy and not be socially responsible. Arsenal may not be the worst offenders but we are very much cut from the same cloth.

Mirth

Actual footage of Claude and JazzG at work:

Claudius

Mirth I need to rewatch this show. It was so painful because on the surface it seems satirical but over time the characters bear resemblance to real people with power you interact with often

JazzG

Mirth That is me in the back making the crying gesture!

Gurgen He's the poster boy of capitalists extracting money from the working man.

Gurgen we should try communism, some good experiences with that back in the day

Last time it was so popular in Europe they had to build a wall to stop people getting in!

Gurgen

awooga83 we should try communism, some good experiences with that back in the day

Claudius

awooga83 Americans are busy selling sports team for $10bn this year. The Kroenkes and other American owners will be looking at how to extract similar values in the premier league.

In South Africa, you need to go through a long process if you ever want to do large scale job cuts. First, you need to show that there are no other measures you can take (e.g., cut costs elsewhere, rededploy / retrain people), and then you need to show a new org structure and negotiate it with the unions. Only after that can you identify the affected individuals. Deviation from this will result in real penalties. I have seen people try to half ass their way through this. It does not work. If you remember that you are dealing with people who need to put dinner on the table at the end of the night, you approach these things with a bit more sobriety.

Gurgen

OK but what does Kai Havertz have to do with any of this.

Pepe LeFrits

Gurgen Dunno, I deleted all the posts about it originally but one of my fellow mods overruled me

awooga83

Gurgen communism is bad yes just like full fat capitalism we've tried that one since the 80s and we are also in a very bad place so maybe there's something between them that's actually better for society who knows. Companies do not care about people and need some limits which is where government can play a role. But companies still bad.

Burnwinter

Gurgen Dunno about communism, but it's fair to say the insatiable rule of private property and accumulation has us on track for an unrecognisable planet. If you told me I had to wait another 22 years for an Arsenal title I'd ask how you were so sure the league would still be around ...

Qwiss

Pepe LeFrits I did not.

FEBravo

How much is Kai on again?

Gurgen

awooga83 I don't disagree with your first sentence. To keep on topic, I blame Kai Havertz for all this.

Qwiss

JazzG He's the poster boy of capitalists extracting money from the working man.

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