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Arteta, crumbles under pressure?

Gunner89

I think RB is ok. Right now it's just that Tomi is injured.

LB- Tierney's stock is only going to go down if he doesn't play and we can make a profit there for sure. Same with Tavares.

In's- LB, CB, CM, CM, and one attacker
Out's- Holding, Tierney, Tavares, Mari, (One of Nketiah/Balogun will go), ESR (Darren from twitter suggests some attitude issues with ESR which is why he isn't playing)

Burnwinter

Gunner89 Right now it's just that Tomi is injured.

He'll be badly injured again, and whenever he is we lack cover at centre half.

We can't be saying we need a CB really unless the verdict is in and is negative on Kiwior.

Gunner89

Btw- City vs brighton finally rescheduled midweek before last pl weekend

So something like midweek brighton away and weekend brentford away

those are not easy games

Burnwinter

Gunner89 Madrid away, Everton away, Madrid home, Chelsea home, Brighton away, Brentford away … might not be any dead rubbers in it, even Everton will still be facing the drop. They are seen by statisticians as likely to drop at least some points in the league.

Clrnc

Gunner89 we need to make sure we are even in the running and put pressure on them

Gurgen

I don't think this collapse is all down to pressure. Since the WC we've simply been awful defensively. You can't score last minute winners in every game, you can't be chasing every single game. That shit has caught up with us.

Claudius

Gurgen
Good observation. Since World Cup our xGA is up. And even higher since Saliba got injured. Part of that was driven by an out of form Saliba, and then he got his shit together and we looked better. But we need to be operating at a a +1 xG Diff if we want to be secure.

I’m really finding it hard to be overly mad at the team and manager though. There are some boneheaded things we have seen like Ramsdale, and then there are other mistakes like Partey’s 2 giveaways and Zinchenko leaving the door open that I think are literally just a result of us being deeper and opening ourselves up to more risk. But that’s a structural thing that we will find hard to adjust with our personnel.

lorddulaarsenal

Gurgen absolutely. The way we play is reliant on physical centrebacks with good recovery pace

JazzG

Gurgen Agreed, we have been conceding goals far too many goals, we give away too many chances every game. Eventually they would catch up with us.

Clrnc I'd like to think when we have more options he will be better at it but Arteta's subs are not always the best. Like you say when the other team tweaks we do sometimes get caught out and aren't able to respond. Problem is apart from Trossard which of our subs are fighting for a place in the First XI? They're all on the bench because they aren't good enough to be in the first team and we need to address that.

jones

QuincyAbeyie Klopp had CL experience prior to going Liverpool. His first few European years with Dortmund were dreadful compared to his domestic form

Arteta has been shit in the EL too, could be that he learns from it though tbf. Virtually impossible to make any predictions about next season though, think both the "never get another chance like this" and "young team + coach will 100% improve" are nonsense.

Remember how Chelsea had outgrown the league couple years ago after winning it? I was certain Liverpool would fall off after finishing 2nd with 97pts because their roid cycle would have to end at some point, then they win the title instead and after strengthening the summer they somehow finish midtable

Burnwinter

jones Remember how Chelsea had outgrown the league couple years ago after winning it? I was certain Liverpool would fall off after finishing 2nd with 97pts because their roid cycle would have to end at some point, then they win the title instead and after strengthening the summer they somehow finish midtable

Our run at the top this season has if anything been even more unexpected, at least a few of the pundits have had the good grace on occasion to admit they predicted we'd finish 7th with 55 points or whatever.

They have no idea, honestly.

Gunner89

jones I think they're very reliant on VVD

His presence, absence, and decline have influenced Liverpool significantly.

Also, their midfield needs a complete overhaul. Fabinho isn't that old but he's done. They put all their eggs in the bellingham basket once tchouameni rejected them.

Klopp got lucky as some of the players he wanted rejected them and he ended up signing better players- They definitely wanted Goetze, Depay, Xhaka and some others. Can't believe Wenger just let them get a free run at Mane/Salah.

jones

Don't think Arteta is doing anything different towards the end of the season he simply doesn't rotate too much. He doesn't have a great track record at improving mediocre players so any minute guys like Holding or even a rusty Tierney rotate in we drop levels.

If the club backs him in the summer again and ensures that we have a higher quality bench, he learns to use his squad more and/or we invest in better PEDs we'll be thereabouts again. If we don't we'll struggle because literally every club has one or two players who don't progress the way they're expected to or fall off completely like ESR eg

Claudius

jones so Eddie hasn’t improved under Arteta? A player who has much more spatial awareness and linkup play?

And for the players he has focused on in the starting lineup, Gabriel, Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard and White haven’t improved?

jones

Burnwinter neither had we if we're fully honest. I rated our squad very highly from day but never saw Arteta learning how to put it together. Neither did even his biggest fans really

jones

Gunner89 Fabinho is a good example. Was never the most athletic so you'd assume he'd be hitting his prime but he fell off a cliff

Twerkil van Dijk obviously had his injury but was well overrated anyway imo, was great for 18 months but his current level is probably closer to his level then than what pundits thought of him who kept putting him in all time lists. Cathartic seeing that narcissistic fraud abused by journeymen every week tbh

Burnwinter

jones I thought we'd get top four but I also thought Arteta would get sacked if we didn't and thought it was possible ... which I guess proves your point. Nobody gets this stuff right and nothing is ironclad about next season in the present.

Gunner89

I'm confident about next season and I'm convinced Arteta is the man to take us forward

I'd love it if we get a result at the Etihad, love it

GooneriC

We need to beat them and win all our games. City will blow everyone else away in the first halves of those games and then rest their players.

Big Willie

GooneriC City will blow everyone else away in the first halves of those games and then rest their players.

Don't think that will happen tbh. They'll have a couple off games where they either drop points or really have to work to get some points late on in the game.

We'll probably face the same thing ourselves. As long as we can avoid defeat against City (reckon we may even get a win if we are really up for it) then it's at most a 1 point race. It's about who can remain the most consistent over the final 6/8 games. We can do it. That all depends on not losing to City though. If we do then we can probably forget about making up 4 points on them.

jones

Claudius this season it all came together but not before there was a massive outlay on a bunch of readymade players. Why ignore everything up to this season

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