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Arteta, crumbles under pressure?

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Bar Newcastle away Last 8 games been a disgrace.

Every fan and player hyping us and we do this. Doing what we did with the clock at Fulham away , cringe countdowns and then proceed the way we did with the last 8 games?

We Arsenal fans need to take our medicine and hide for a bit.

Don Pacifico

Sicario2 - Tier 1 I mean, I for one wasn't hyping us up. Not sure how many fans were outside of mainstream media.

And as mentioned in the match thread, really nothing to be ashamed of this season. We've far outperformed expectations; talk of bottling is one way to frame the last couple of months but I think it's lacking in a lot of nuance and does a disservice to all involved. That doesn't mean we couldn't have done certain things differently but even with those incremental gains, it was still a massive ask to dethrone Haaland (and City).

QuincyAbeyie

Hiding and then popping up at convenient times is more cringe.

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QuincyAbeyie
I’ve been on here last month you mug

When we were winning (7 in a row) I didn’t come on due to superstition

QuincyAbeyie

Sicario2 - Tier 1 I was replying to your suggestion, not to what you've been doing.

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Don Pacifico

If we finished 2nd because City were too good I would have probably given it an 8.5/10 season.

But the way we crumbled it goes down to a 7/10 I think mate.

It’s not so much City being so good but we beat ourselves which is the most disappointing thing.

Only way to truly recover is be super cut throat with squad players and have a mega summer transfer wise. If we go into next season ‘1 or 2 players short’ like we normally do then expect more heartbreak next year.

Also, BIG pressure on Arteta next season. We must win silverware.

Burnwinter

Sicario2 - Tier 1 Only way to truly recover is be super cut throat with squad players and have a mega summer transfer wise.

Yeah we need to be looking at two starting quality centre mids, a left back and a right back, and ideally a couple more starters, one in attack and one in defence.

Xhaka needs to go, Zinchenko needs to be playing for his career, Partey's place needs to be challenged, Ben White needs to be spelled, and the leadership needs to be convincingly rebalanced to players of Ødegaard's age or younger, possibly Rice if we do lock him in.

Massive job to do for Edu, hope he's got his appetite.

JazzG

Going from being 5th and with most people not even giving us a chance at top 4 to finishing 2nd after leading for most of the season. This is a 7/10 season? I think some people need to step back from the keyboard, chill out and take stock of how far we have come this season.

City are on course to finish with 94 points, if that isn’t City being too good I’d love to fucking know when they have been good. We would have needed 95 points to win the title, that would among the top 5 or 6 highest point tallies EVER achieved in this league.

The end of the season we need to use it to fuel us, like we did last season. It will also give Arteta some much needed clarity on what needs to be done in the summer but I think he already knows.

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JazzG

We could have lost 4 times and still won the league. City are great blah blah but had we had a healthy lead during Feb they could have easily taken their eye off the league and go all in on CL.

I don’t see how it can anywhere above a 7 when we basically blew it. We won 2 out of our last 7 games in the most important part of the season. This is where seasons are defined, not winning in October.

I would go as far as saying this is the most disappointing season since 2008.

Burnwinter

Sicario2 - Tier 1 I would go as far as saying this is the most disappointing season since 2008.

I mean this line's a giveaway isn't it? As this implies, the better we do and the better our football, the more disappointed we are. So clearly we must have done really well (which we did).

If we'd fucked up the first half of our season but we were storming home with a 50 point second half, we'd all be incredibly excited about this team at the moment.

JazzG

Sicario2 - Tier 1 Sooner or later you need to wake up and face the reality infront of us, finishing with 95 points would have taken a near miracle for us, yes we were on course for that but our squad has fallen short. We have been punching above our weight all season. There is no point crying about that, it hurts for all of us. Everyone of us was dreaming but in the end our limitations have been exposed. Despite that we are on course of one of the highest point tallys we have ever achieved as a club.

Now we should sit back. analyse and this summer make sure we address as many of the problem as we can. We finally have a culture at the club where we try to be proactive about things and we need to continue with that. We are dealing with a club who has made 90+ points the norm to win the title. Look at the recent Liverpool team, that team should have had 4/5 Titles and instead finished with one.

You're also questioning Arteta if we won't win next year, mate you sound like some of these fucking loons on Twitter. He is the fucking reason we are even relevant again as a club and we are up against a fucking club which is essentially bankrolled by a oil rich country. Last summer could you have seen us challenging for the title? I would have said as a club we looked 3 years away and even that would have been a bit of a pipe dream and hoping that everything went to plan.

Gurgen

You are of course entitled to your opinion. However, you are completely wrong on every objective paramter.

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Gurgen

Football is not about facts and metrics, it’s about emotions. You remember how you feel at the end of the season, now how many points we got half way in the season. But let’s agree to disagree.

banduan

Gurgen You are of course entitled to your opinion. However, you are completely wrong on every objective paramter

Sicario2 - Tier 1 Football is not about facts and metrics, it’s about emotions.

then you are also wrong on every subjective parameter.

FEBravo

It's all about expectations. At the beginning of the season, everyone would have killed for a second spot by some distance behind City, Of course, having led most of the way with a big points gap (despite the games in hand) raised those expectations, and now disappointment is normal.

As others have said, it will be hard to follow next year with a similar season with CL etc., but that's why we play the games.

QuincyAbeyie

FEBravo well, not just expectations. Because expectations aren't necessarily where you think we should be able to be. For example, if I viewed Arteta as the worst manager in the world before the season and therefore expected us to finish 7th, but that our squad was capable of 3rd with a good manager, then finishing 3rd is way above expectations, but not where above we should be finishing.

Finishing above where you predicted before the season = happy is a very weird logic to me. If I misjudged all our players at the start of the season and they're actually much better than I thought, my expectations of them change throughout the season. I don't lock the expectations in before the first round.

That being said, it's been a very good season. I'm just not with you on the principle.

Edit: Looking at your post again, you might actually be saying the same thing. 😂

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Burnwinter
I get your point but football doesn’t work like that. The business end of the season is called the business end for a reason.

You can’t compare May with August.

QuincyAbeyie

Burnwinter If we'd fucked up the first half of our season but we were storming home with a 50 point second half, we'd all be incredibly excited about this team at the moment.

True, but that's also because it would speak better to our trajectory for next season.

goon

QuincyAbeyie

Not sure. I think the fact that we were realistically in a title race up until matchday 36 is more exciting for our prospects than storming away into second after a slow start, but never really being in a position to challenge City.

But optics aside, I'm very excited about our trajectory regardless. Being in a position to challenge for major trophies was never going to be a given, but thanks to the make up of the squad I think we'll have a few title/CL challenges and maybe even a win here and there for the next half decade at least.

Burnwinter

True, but no better than our actually existing 50 point first half spoke to our trajectory for the second half of this season, and yet here we are still whinging and moaning—partly as a result of how well we had done.

That 50 point half season was a massive achievement by this young side, I am going to remember it well. I'll even remember Granit Xhaka's involvement in it fondly.

It hasn't panned out the way we wanted, but no one can deny that Arteta and the players gave us a sighting of the gates of heaven.

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JazzG

Re Arteta. We’re Arsenal football club, if Arteta doesn’t win a trophy next year it’s the beginning of the end for him. Can’t go 4 years without one. Need to have standards. He’s not Arsene Wenger who can survive 9 years without a trophy because of prior achievements/cash in the bank.

It’s great he got us into this position but he’s not immune to criticism if he is the main reason we fucked up this healthy lead.

Don’t forget he sacrificed all the cups for the league. Was the risk worth the reward?

Man City are great but they been playing twice a week most of the season whilst we been playing once - need to factor that in.

If you’re a big club you need to deal with pressure/multiple tournaments/business end etc. This is Arsenal not Everton.

Burnwinter

JazzG I would have said as a club we looked 3 years away and even that would have been a bit of a pipe dream and hoping that everything went to plan.

This is it. Not only has Arteta "brought the plan forward ahead of schedule" as people like to say, he and Edu (and more distantly KSE and seemingly Josh Kroenke) have actually executed several stages of it like clockwork. That wasn't at all guaranteed. I don't love Arteta or think he's infallible but I'm not about to sit through a big summer of discontent about his methods.

GooneriC

We bottled it , we need to recover from that . We were going really well and then coming into April it seemed like everyone thought they could get at us.

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