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Arsenal OUTS 2023 😞

James

Claudius Btw, my whole approach to this squad is build from the top as much as possible. It’s why I want Kvaratskhelia and Bellingham. Players who subsequently fall out of the top 15 should be seen as expendable. Just keep adding on top. If Holding, Tierney, etc fall out the bottom, the team is better

100% - point i was also trying to make

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

James good grief Jordan Ibe's Wiki makes for depressing reading.

James

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert Incredible isn’t it. £15m once upon a time, and now without a club.

JazzG

James Spot on there, selling Academy products who show promise is always a bit more harder to take but we also need to be realistic. I hope ESR comes back and fights his way back into the team and he definitely has the talent. After his injury he deserves time and patience. However the people who run the club can't be overly sentimental about things.

When the player is from the academy you also need to do what's right for the player as well. ESR has the talent and ability to play for a decent PL side, look at Willock for Newcastle. I feel a sense of pride that he came through our system and is doing well for them. If they don't make it here then give them the chance to make it somewhere else.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert Remember when he broke through, he looked a top player in the making. I don't know what happened to him.

Big Willie

Have you guys seen all those buys from Southampton from City for Academy players for a total of £40m? Wtf.

Clrnc

Cedric to Fulham on loan done deal. No buy option unfortunately

Clrnc

Monaco bids 8m for Lokonga.

Rejected by us

flobaba

Can't Chelsea come gazump them?

Qwiss

Maybe if we bid £50mfor him...

Claudius

Get rid of Martinelli?

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Anelka 🥹

Big Willie

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert no need to be sad. Anelka gave us Thierry and our training ground. More than a great deal for us.

Doc

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Was such a baller when he was here, lost a lot of it when he left to the Madrid circus... Something about watching a young exciting Arsenal striker come through... Seeing him and RvP burst onto the scene are some of my favourite memories of watching us play.

Claudius

Maybe you chaps should just buy Brighton

KingslandBarge

Bit of a snapshot with winter market clock winding down.

Players out on loan, club loaned to, time to contract expiry (from seasons end):
Balogun -> Reims -> 2 years left
Lokonga -> Crystal Palace -> 3 years left
Marquinhos -> Norwich -> 4 years left
Maitland-Niles -> Southampton -> 5 months left from now
Mari -> Monza -> 1 year left
Patino -> Blackpool -> 2 years left
Pépé -> Nice -> 1 year left
Runnarson -> Alanyspor -> 1 year left
Soares -> Fulham -> 1 year left
Taveres -> Marseille -> 2 years left
Trusty -> Birmingham City - 5 months from now?

Players with a year or less remaining on contract (at seasons end):
Holding -> 1 year left
Nelson -> 5 months from now
Xhaka -> 1 year left

Players that some have recently suggested parting with, time remaining on contract (at seasons end):
Smith-Rowe -> 3 years left
Tierney -> 3 years left

How much is Edu/Whoever at the helm going to be able to generate from sales in the summer? Who to keep, extend loan or sell? I have consistently held doubts about Edu and he wasn't able to generate 60 million in outgoings last summer. There are a lot of options he has to play with in the summer to make a better fist of it. The outside perception on Arsenal players will be much better than last summer, and a fair few players on loan are having good stints. I also want us to be a club that utilises a healthy proportion of operating revenue and sales to fund its player purchases. Particularly if we'll outlay 100+ million on two midfielders. That means something to me in an age of financial imprudence, gross inequality.

Claudius

KingslandBarge
Thanks for putting this down. Super helpful. This is what I think the club will do this summer

Sell / release: Maitland Niles, Mari, Trusty, Runnarson, Pepe, Holding, Nelson, Tierney Rekik, Azeez
Loan: Marquinhos, Lokonga, Tavares, Patino
Keep on squad/extend: Xhaka, Balogun
Question mark: ESR

The reason I have a question mark over ESR is that for those who are insistent that Edu needs to make a big sale, that is the most logical option. Either that or Balogun. Tierney gets £20-25m for a newly promoted club or Everton / West Ham type.

Qwiss

Claudius a "big sale" shouldn't be done for the sake of it. What even is a big sale in terms of ESR? Is his stock as high as when Villa came in for him? There is absolutely no way ESR should sold this summer. Get him fit and see where he's at over the next 18 months.

We need to get value from the sales we want to make, not to sell of one of the best home grown players we've had in the Emirates era just so Edu can quiet some whingers.

MistaT

Little concerned seeing Balogun with just 2 years left.

I would imagine we’ll need to address that this summer with a boost of his wages if he’s to extend his contract.

Hard to find minutes for a 3rd choice CF here. Will have to go out on loan again next season with an emergency recall clause.

I am Arsenal Till I Die

The way I see it, I don't think we can have both him and Eddie in the squad. If we get a good offer for him, we should sell.

RocktheCasbah

I am Arsenal Till I Die don't agree with that.

We've had two seasons of not playing many matches - next season, hopefully we'll have a good enough squad not to get knocked out of both cup competitions early and we're going to be taking on the cream of the European crop.

We will need a bigger squad than we have had for the last two seasons and you only have to look at the injury to Gabriel Jesus and see how short we could end up being - I mean we're already without a proper centre forward back up to Eddie now. In addition, Balogun is a proper talent, I don't think Arteta and Edu turned the big guns on him just to let him go a couple of years later.

RocktheCasbah

I am Arsenal Till I Die

I get the concern about Lokonga and the wider issue of bloated squads, it is a fine balance.

However, to me the notion that we should now be looking for a winger when we have two of the best wide players in the league AND Smith Rowe and Trossard as well as Vieira waiting in the wings (ha!) seems a bit mad to me - and that's without considering Reiss Nelson, which James will probably say we shouldn't be doing.

When you look at what's happened with Gabriel Jesus injury, we are now currently relying on Eddie Nketiah to stay fit until Jesus comes back - we don't know how long it will take him to get up to speed. So, we're one injury away from having to make do at centre forward; Trossard &/or Martinelli might be able to do a job there, but how good do you feel about betting the house on them doing so when there's a league title on the line?

As for next season, Arsenal are, I think it's fair to assume, likely to play more than 50 games next season. We've been lucky in some regards that Jesus injury came during the World Cup as once through Christmas, Arsenal's fixture schedule has been relatively light (bizarrely, our only PL fixtures currently scheduled for midweek are the Man City ones). The same injury this time next year would be more problematic.

Just go to go back to your starting point, which was

I am Arsenal Till I Die The way I see it, I don't think we can have both him and Eddie in the squad. If we get a good offer for him, we should sell.

I just think it's way too early to say we should write Balogun off and get rid of him this summer. He could end up saving Arsenal millions in the market, especially this transfer market which Chelsea have rendered absolutely ridiculous. It's actually something I was thinking about the other day. Arsenal can hardly plead poverty in relation to most clubs in the PL, but what Chelsea have done this winter has been obscene really & perhaps we do need to focus more on developing our own players, it's not like we don't have a track record.

I realise having written everything I have above that what is more likely to happen than anything else is that he will probably go on loan again - and I'd probably be okay with that. But sell him? Not yet, not for me.

Qwiss

RocktheCasbah 100% agree. I think there should be a very healthy competition for the forward spot between Jesus, Eddie and Balogun. There isn't a whole lot between them and they offer different strengths so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. There is also a bit of flexibility with Jesus being able to play on the wing and even the other 2 can fill in there in a real sticky situation (or just off the bench for a run out).

The Champions League not only provides more available minutes for these guys but it inevitably leads to more injuries too. We are pushing the players though what Wenger would call the red zone already this season. Next that will be even more evident. Right now we can't even bring on a striker for Eddie towards the end of games when he's exhausted. TBH I'd love to have Flo back for the rest of this season, though I understand why they've chose not to bring him back.

I am Arsenal Till I Die

RocktheCasbah I look around the other big squads and none of them have three out and out CFs. I think, in an ideal world we have two players for each position (which will mean we need to bring in a winger or sign Reiss on) and then additional versatile players in the squad that will fill in at CF if and when required. As of now, we will have Trossard, Martinelli, and to a lesser extent ESR who could do that.

I'd love to hold on to as many Hale End talents as possible but somewhere we need to find the right balance and we will need to make some hard calls for that. A bloated squad with unhappy players isn't ideal. Look at what has happened ti Sambi. I don't think he went on loan just because Arteta thought he wasn't ready 18 months after signing him. I think he went on loan because he was unhappy and his attitude wasn't right.

If Jesus is fit, Eddie sits on the bench in the PL and CL and gets sub appearances. And then starts domestic cups while Flo doesn't make the PL and CL squads and sits on the bench and gets sub appearances the cup. We then end up diminishing his value. Similar to what we did with AMN, Chambers etc while he runs down his contract.

Claudius

Qwiss agree with you. I’m not so stuck on the idea that we need big sales either. I’m comfortable with keeping ESR and Balogun because I like them and think that they will have a contribution to make in a big season.

For me only big sale I would do right now is Tierney. And then clean up the other guys at the edge of the squad - Nelson, Tavares, Pepe, AMN etc.

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