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Arsenal OUTS 2023 😞

JazzG

QuincyAbeyie Gets even better, some rumours we might swap for Mudryk. A twisted part of me actually wants to see it happen for the complete and utter meltdown of Arsenal fans.

HomeSteak

JazzG link? found nothing on that, that sounds like BS.

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HomeSteak

So we will be down to 5 defenders if we sell him?

Hahahah you couldn’t make this up!

Don Pacifico

HomeSteak would be a good move for him if he went to either of those clubs.

HomeSteak

Sicario2 - Tier 1 With Tomyiasu missing a month somewhere next year, I think we will make a move for a new defender. That Timber injury really hit us.

Segway

QuincyAbeyie Ouch. That would be disgraceful.

DiabyKungFu

QuincyAbeyie Imagine buying Havertz from Chelsea and selling them ESR for less

lorddulaarsenal

Sell Smith Rowe and get Barella

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Chelsea offered us Mudryk for ESR but we said no (apparently):

https://x.com/afcamden/status/1696502874103038141?s=46&t=VPDWjpOiUrz3e7b_vl9j_g

lorddulaarsenal

Could be worth a poke reviving Ukraine Bolt but I think we need a more refined profile in the attack

Clrnc

Think it's worth a deal if we are not going to play ESR

Meatwad

Clrnc
same. the guy has been a bust at chelsea in 6 months, but he's still the same player we were willing to spend 90m on. now what that says about our talent ID, i don't know but if you had a plan for him then you might still have a plan for him now. we clearly don't have a plan for ESR though so that's a waste.

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Meatwad

No thanks re Mudryk. In life you sometimes get lucky when avoiding a costly mistake. If you go for the mistake 2nd time then you’re a fucking idiot.

Mud is a dud, we have enough evidence of that. ESR is hale end and hasn’t become a bad player over night. Plenty of games this season for him to play. Keep our boy.

Clrnc

The times said we have actively offered ESR out to PL clubs, but just not willing to sell to a direct top 4 rivals. Really surprising if true

DiabyKungFu

Clrnc The times said we have actively offered ESR out to PL clubs, but just not willing to sell to a direct top 4 rivals. Really surprising if true

Wow. Weird. Has there been any reporting as to whether or not Edu and Arteta are aware that the wide-ranging relations of phenomena to noumena have been a crucial theme of ontological enquiry for centuries?

Clrnc

Qwiss

Mudryk has looked terrible for Chelsea. He's has no brains as a player, I don't think Arteta can fix that. We can't take 2 duds from Chelsea in one summer, that'd be a disaster.

flobaba

Qwiss he looked very good this past summer during the u-21 world cup.

Clrnc

Digging abit of research from the Chelsea forums and twitter, apparently Mudryk had a lot of discipline issues right after he joined Chelsea. Seems disinterested to train, low intensity in matches and generally can't be arsed in a Chelsea shirt.

If that's the case maybe no.

Burnwinter

Clrnc apparently Mudryk had a lot of discipline issues right after he joined Chelsea

Well, you have to assume he was pretty pissed about being turned into the Donetsk owner's political chess piece, and being denied his preferred destination despite the massive sum we bid.

Don't really understand quite how shit he is, as he's very good on the ball and lightning fast. But then, mercurial attacking talents seem to fare worse coming to the Premier League than starlets in other positions. Perhaps it's because their off the ball workload is much greater, and the average defender in the PL is much faster and better.

JazzG

Clrnc The guy was forced into signing for a club he didn't want to join, almost guilt tripped into it. Clearly not taken it well.

IF we were to sell ESR to Chelsea I'd only sell for a massive fee, I'm talking the kind of money we paid for Havertz type of money. Then take Mudryk on a loan with purchase option. If he is hungry and wants to make it work, he'll work his arse off to make the move permanent, if not then back to Chelsea you go!

Burnwinter

Taking the Smith Rowe exit to Chelsea rumour as one example, the thing that throws me off balance with our squad management is that we so often seem to make decisions (or do nothing) with little or no thought of money.

@Big Willie was giving the example of Pépé, it was like we simply didn't care with him either. We seem to have no concept of the "shop window" at all.

daredevil

Sounds very unprofessional but I wonder how much of that is due to being forced to play for Chelsea.

mdgoonah41

daredevil yea thats my read on it. he seemed hellbent on coming to arsenal, then got rugged at the last minute and was forced to go to chelsea. he looked pretty miserable in his unveiling pictures. he still should be professional about it, but hes young and hes human.

if we arent going to play ESR, then we should sell him. letting him decay in value is idiotic.

Burnwinter

mdgoonah41 if we arent going to play ESR, then we should sell him. letting him decay in value is idiotic.

Not giving Smith Rowe minutes in preseason or the first three match days, signing Havertz to start ahead of him and not bringing him on even when the German is getting dragged ... so we've pissed him off as much as possible, but also haven't given him any chances to prove he's still got it, and now the window is about to close.

I can see us receiving derisory, speculative bids of £20m for a Hale End player who should be a £50m talent, minimum. The only explanation is that the person making the decisions simply doesn't give a fuck about the money, at all.

QuincyAbeyie

mdgoonah41 if we arent going to play ESR, then we should sell him. letting him decay in value is idiotic.

I don't think this should be the discussion. If we weren't going to play Saka, we should sell him as well. But that 'dilemma' would ignore the best alternative, which is to keep and play him.

The discussion about whether it's right to sell ESR should be about whether ESR should play more than he's doing or if he should be sold. I think he should play more, at the very least through sub appearances.

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