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Arsenal OUTS 2023 😞

Clrnc

Claudius It's also a fact that ESR played more for England than for Arsenal since his return from injury. And he got MOTM immediately for us. You can talk about fitness issue even though he hasn't been out for injury for months now.

I don't think you are getting the point. There's a lot of rubbish being said about ESR which isn't fair to him. Just because Arteta doesn't give him any minutes does not automatically mean he is in decline, not good enough etc. I have seen you saying ESR has no stamina at all which is why he isn't selected just based on his first start for months for us, which is really not fair. He has no stamina or intensity issue in the past when he played for us. All these are baseless speculations.

Do you need to me to find the posts saying Saliba is not good enough for us, scared of toxic atmosphere at Emirates, can't play for Arsenal because his parents passed away, is not professional which is why he has no fitness and we can't play him? 😆 Only for him to be in team of the season year in year out in Ligue 1 then immediately when given a chance starred for us. Only Ligue 1 watchers kept saying how good he is while we continue to select Mustafi and Kolasinac as CB. I can accept people saying we sacrificed results at Arsenal to blood Saliba career in France but not those reasons above.

goon

QuincyAbeyie

Absolutely, but that was another time. Vieira was signed when we were battling to finish 4th with Elneny and Sambi getting mins. The context is different now, one which he's getting even fewer mins than ESR.

FWIW, I don't think ESR leaves unless we get a big offer.

Qwiss

If we are getting rid of one of ESR or Vieira it should obviously be Vieira. He's never shown consistent form like Smith-Rowe , he's the same age and he played even less minutes this season.

Big Willie

Qwiss only reason we'd probably not do that even if he was terrible is because of the financial hit we'd take from that sell compared to a player from the youth team who would be pure profit.

Burnwinter

Qwiss If we are getting rid of one of ESR or Vieira it should obviously be Vieira.

Should be both, unless we're committing to supporting and playing them. Trouble is almost the only players Arteta's gone out of his way to nurture since his arrival are those he's absolutely needed—such as Smith Rowe three years ago—and his big summer signings.

Smith Rowe deserves a career, whereas to me Vieira's just a perfectly fine player I can't see making it here. The only question is our plan to handle a mess more fixtures next season. I don't want another year of watching these kids languish.

Qwiss

Big Willie whatever we lose on him we are going to lose anyway. He's not going to be worth more as his contract runs down another season.

Big Willie

Qwiss whatever we lose on him we are going to lose anyway. He's not going to be worth more as his contract runs down another season.

I agree, but I also don't really care enough about whether Vieira stays or goes unless his staying is at ESR's expense. In that case I care, a lot, unless Vieira both played significant minutes and showed what he's capable of.

That said for accounting purposes Edu and Arteta may prefer to sell an academy player for 20m rather than Vieira for 25m. Then again considering how we were paying player of to gett rid of them in the past, I wouldn't be surprised to find out they don't care about any of the above.

daredevil

There's way too many players ahead of him in the queue at the moment for him to get any meaningful minutes. People complaining abour Vieira are missing the fact that he's had even fewer minutes. We finally have a fit squad and the issue for him in the past was his unavailability, the issue for him now is that Partey, Jorginho, Havertz, Rice and Odegaard are all fit, which means he needs atleast 3 injuries before he gets a look in.

Burnwinter

Claudius Calling it a decline is a bit unjust, his career has been flash frozen. Needs to move on for his own sake at this stage, but he hasn't had a scrap of support or favour from Arteta for a long time and we don't have the full story about that. I don't doubt he'll look good for another club.

Coombs

I genuinely don't care if they languish in a title challenging team, as long as they are working hard in training and pulling in the same direction. Somebody needs to warm the bench.

Qwiss

Rumours going around that Real want Martinelli and are offering a big player in exchange. Seems very houseboaty considering they're current left wing options. I would happily take one of their left wingers though. 😂

Coombs

Qwiss probably trade him for Fran Garcia

Burnwinter

Qwiss Straight swap for Mbappé no doubt

Qwiss

Burnwinter I'm not fussy, him or Vini is fine

Clrnc

Qwiss i think him or vinny plus cash is okay for me.

lorddulaarsenal

We’ve been linked with Arda Guler

Claudius

lorddulaarsenal bad trade.

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