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Leandro Trossard, welcome to Arsenal

Big Willie

QuincyAbeyie First of all, I feel like this clip posted during this international break implies that he scored the goal now, but it's actually an old clip from a past Belgoum match.

It did look identical to one he scored around this time last season.

flobaba

Of course we underrate others. We are a top team in Europe. Our players are mostly better on average than players of 80-90% of the rest of the league (possibly even Europe).

Good as Trossard is at finishing, he is lacking a lot in his all round game. That's why he doesn't own his spot yet.

Ramsdale was clearly sus. Highlights goalie. Not great at a lot of the basics, but spectacular shot stopper.

White's decent, but it was also pretty obvious to me he was (is) holding us back.

Zinchenko, Jesus - we've outgrown them. Now squad members.

Martinelli is similarly on the hotseat if he doesn't tighten his shit up.

We are a serious team now. Arteta is ruthless. I'm loving it.

USArsenal

flobaba

Disagree about White holding us back. Timber offers soemthing different, but White is extremely useful and has a great understanding with Saka and Ode. And i don't think Martinelli is on the hot seat... He has plenty to offer and he is rounding into some form (and with Cala and possibly Merino in the team, it could unlock him even more).

Otherwise, i can get behind the rest, especially Zinny and Jesus. They were great interim players, to step us up a notch, but we're beyond that notch now, and they won't get better.

Burnwinter

QuincyAbeyie Yes. It's a team sport. That was always very evident during the Wenger years, when players who showed more than a hint of genius at Arsenal dropped off sharply afterward. This pattern is the mark of a club that's doing pretty well.

That said, I still think Trossard has an exceptional combination of ability and nerve.

IBL

What's going on with him of late? Not long ago he was our stone cold killer in front of goal and reliable enough in other areas of the pitch, lately it seems like he's learning to play football again.

Too many of our attacking players are flopping at the same time, it's a real concern.

lorddulaarsenal

Think he’s just exiting his peak years. We’ve probably extracted the value from him and now it’s time to upgrade

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Gurgen

That would be really stupid.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Gurgen

It’s prob to get a higher selling fee which I’m fine with. Anyway, as a super sub he is still fine as well imo.

Coombs

Sicario2 - Tier 1 we won't get a higher fee if we boost his wages. Classic Arsenal move.

This club really needs to adjust its business practices. Contract renewals should not be rewards. It's all well and good to treat people well, but none of these cats need the money and the fans are the ones left holding the bag.

He better go to Saudi in 2025.

MistaT

Not a fan of this, and part of it is that we have Jesus signed through 2027 😮‍💨

That's a lot of tied down wages for two aging and middling players.

Burnwinter

MistaT That's a lot of tied down wages for two aging and middling players.

Depends on his wages and the exact contract. With any luck it's not far north of £200k / week and only for three years …

Trossard's been out of form and might be in decline, but I'd argue he hasn't been anything like as unproductive as Jesus, who seems to be simply useless these days.

flobaba

He's missed high profile chances recently, but he's still our best finisher. He's 30 this year, and is probably extended for two more. There's still value in there. Who knows what the new salary package looks like? It's likely competitive with folks in his role (impact sub/ back up) in other top level teams in England. There's probably a wage structure and I don't think we would be breaking it for him, more like rewarding him for his performances in the past year. I'm cool with it.

But I'm sure someone will soon imply that this is the reason why we won't sign Gyokeres/Isak...

Don Pacifico

flobaba yeah, don't know what wage he's on but suspect he's a fair bit lower than his contemporaries in the squad so more about putting him at parity.

And as you say, let's keep him going whilst he's still a useful squad option (which he is) and we're able to replace him (which I fully expect given how ruthless Arteta is willing to be).

Big Willie

flobaba But I'm sure someone will soon imply that this is the reason why we won't sign Gyokeres/Isak.

Yeah I'm not so sure those who imply reasons for us not signing Gyokeres/Isak are not blaming it on a Trossard contract renewal. Now are they (we?) blaming it on buying more defenders, goalkeepers and defensive midfielders and potentially eating up the available budget? Yeah, probably. Blaming it on an Arteta not making buying attacking players a priority even if we have money to buy both? Also probably yeah. But giving Trossard a contract, probably not.

lorddulaarsenal

Coombs yep didn’t we do similar with Jesus?

goon

Coombs

To be fair, there were a few who said that about Eddie and Nelson, and in at least one of those cases it paid off - probably will with Nelson too.

Of course, those guys were young and about to leave on a free. Trossard is 30 and has 18 months left to run. I'd be amazed if the story is true. I think Trossard is the perfect candidate for cashing in while stock is high and still young enough to be attractive to a few clubs.

Don Pacifico

Coombs it's only a problem if we end up paying them significantly above their worth. I'd hope that's not what's happening here.

Coombs

lorddulaarsenal we extended Jesus? Sheesh, didn't realize.

Qwiss

Burnwinter Trossard is on around £90K according to the internet. If we want him to stay £120k should be our top offer. He wont get a better offer elsewhere in 18 months time. If he can get one now it comes with a fee for us. We need to play a bit of hard ball.

I think its a mistake to keep him. I think he was an excellent signing and he's been really good for us but he's 30 and not good enough to justify keeping IMO. He had a very hot run last season and we'd be better off using that to cash in.

Claudius

goon agree. If a decent fee comes in next 2 transfer windows, you sell. Trosssard, Tomi, Jesus, Zinchenko, Kiwior. Monetize.

That said, having more time on his contract could be better for both parties, including in a transfer

Clrnc

Qwiss Yup, if we keep him he will easily become the next Jesus and Zinchenko.

It's time to invest in younger players, hot talents. Like Paez, Endrick, Estevao kind of talents

Burnwinter

Qwiss I think its a mistake to keep him. I think he was an excellent signing and he's been really good for us but he's 30 and not good enough to justify keeping IMO. He had a very hot run last season and we'd be better off using that to cash in.

I mean, we can't consider cashing in on Trossard now when we've barely got a goalscorer in the squad.

Main thing is the contract shouldn't be too long or on an outrageous wage that prevents us ever flipping him. I suspect Edu's fucked off because he knew he'd never sell Jesus or one or two others, so he knew his reputation had already peaked as far as his work at Arsenal was concerned.

Let's take a pause though and acknowledge that Trossard has actually been a brilliant, even revelatory signing despite recent poor form. He's exceeded all expectations.

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