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Leandro Trossard, welcome to Arsenal

Don Pacifico

Mokbel reporting contract renewal talks are advanced (ie. looking likely we'll renew). Have to wonder what that means for Martinelli. If we're being smart, we can't leave him rotting on the bench because I'm not sure Trossard will stick around to be less involved in the first team (which will happen if we but a forward).

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Don Pacifico I can't see us having three proper LWF options, so maybe Martinelli will be sold to make way for the new guy? (There'd better fucking be a new guy!)

Don Pacifico

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert that would be my thinking.

As you allude to though, may be that we're just not getting a new LW.

Sicario2

Keep as a squad player. Too many changes in one go is not sustainable. Also, unlike some others that won’t be named, at least he’s reliable and on the whole stays fit.

lorddulaarsenal

Yeah I’d be inclined to keep him too. Loves him when he first signed but he’s dropped a level physically since. However he is useful for depth. Let him play the role Sterling should have done better in

Big Willie

@Don Pacifico and @Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert I will repeat my previous comment to Claud.

Big Willie You have high hopes for our attacking transfer activity.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Big Willie sadly you're probably right. At best it's going to be a striker and Zubimendi, isn't it?

MistaT

Makes sense to have an efficient in front of goal player as your back up too.

He can come on when we’re chasing games and only needs a chance, or come on late in a 2-1 game in hopes of finishing the game off.

Martinelli doesn’t quite offer that unless a team is pushed up chasing a goal (a la Madrid).

Coombs

MistaT Martinelli doesn’t quite offer that unless a team is pushed up chasing a goal (a la Madrid).

Score more earlier and this situation will be much more common.

Don Pacifico

Coombs true but we need a starting winger to help us break through the lines and score those early goals too.

Burnwinter

Was saying months ago if we're selling one of them and bringing in a starter, Martinelli is a better sale than Trossard.

Nothing to do with Martinelli not being good. It's simply that Trossard's a specialist substitute who does better in matches with broken play and is already ageing out in terms of transfer value, where Martinelli would fetch £50m or whatever if we sold, and that will only go down if he spends a year on the bench.

Havertz would be the other sale worth "seriously considering" but he'll hold his value fairly well on the bench, and he's got 3 years remaining on his contract on very high wages.

Claudius

Burnwinter Havertz, our starting striker who was on course for a 20 goal season before injury. An adaptable player who gives us so much of our tactical set up and optionality. You’d better not miss when you replace him.
The obvious issue on the team is how the left side works. Solve that above all else with a protagonist. It’s why I like Rodrygo a lot. And then create layers with a Gyokeres or Sesko.

Pepe LeFrits

Burnwinter Was saying months ago if we're selling one of them and bringing in a starter, Martinelli is a better sale than Trossard.

Nothing to do with Martinelli not being good. It's simply that Trossard's a specialist substitute who does better in matches with broken play and is already ageing out in terms of transfer value, where Martinelli would fetch £50m or whatever if we sold, and that will only go down if he spends a year on the bench.

Agree pretty much. I think this is probably the last window where we can get a decent fee for Martinelli and the club probably think that Trossard's decline should align reasonably well with Nwaneri and Dowman's rise.

Burnwinter

Claudius I don't want to sell Havertz, I like Havertz. As you point out he has been productive, he is very intelligent and versatile, his athleticism is brilliant and he seems to be well liked by all.

However if for example we had Gyökeres and he was working out up front, then there may be a strong argument to sell Havertz next summer when he will have 2 years left.

We could get a hefty fee in order to recruit a £50–100m replacement with greater "specificity". It would depend on what Havertz might or might not be giving us by that stage. How useful will he be as an impact sub, suspension or injury stand-in, or rotation player?

Claudius The obvious issue on the team is how the left side works.

Still say most of our problem on the left is not Martinelli but our tactical outlook and its heavy emphasis on the right.

I have very real doubts the wide players on our list will either relish having the thankless job of running to give us all that width for 70 minutes twice a week, or flourish when required to have the beating of a couple of Premier League quality defenders to produce anything.

Don Pacifico

Burnwinter Still say most of our problem on the left is not Martinelli but our tactical outlook and its heavy emphasis on the right.

Is there a chance that our focus on the right side is a reaction to the capability differential between Saka and Martinelli?

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Burnwinter I have very real doubts the wide players on our list will either relish having the thankless job of running to give us all that width for 70 minutes twice a week, or flourish when required to have the beating of a couple of Premier League quality defenders to produce anything.

Man I can't stand our style of play.

Burnwinter

Don Pacifico I think it absolutely is, it's how we maximise Saka and Ødegaard and that's why we've been doing it. It's just the system makes the left winger look shit, eh.

CPM

Don Pacifico Absolutely. Martinelli can't play those delicate give-and-go's that Saka/Øde play. He doesn't have good close control so he has to rely on pace and stop-start motion to beat his man. And he is not a threat cutting inside and shooting on his stronger foot. (Incidentally, Rodrygo is great in all three of those areas.)

For me he is best in big games, when physical intensity matters, and there is space in behind on the counter. Against a sitting defense, he is basically useless.

RocktheCasbah

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert you'll feel better about it once we have a team to watch again next season.

Qwiss

Pepe LeFrits I don't think Martinellis price is going to drop any time soon. Why would it? He's not even in his prime years.

I still don't see who are getting thats a bonafide upgrade on Martinelli. If we get a left winger I want someone who has to prove themselves better than Martinelli to get that spot. Not just hand it to someone and hope it goes well.

To me this is like arguing we should sell Havertz to sign Sesko.

Claudius

So our team lacks speed. We are buying a CM in Zubimendi who is great at picking out runners. Now we want to sell the one fast forward we have? We need more speed and directness, more desire and ability to take on defenders. Build on this

Pepe LeFrits

Qwiss Why would it? He's not even in his prime years.

Because his form has dipped the last two seasons and that's what follows. We would have gotten a lot more if we'd sold him 2 seasons ago. The trend isn't positive and the longer his slump in form goes on the fewer clubs there will be willing to invest in attempting to revive the potential he showed earlier in his career.

Tactics

Qwiss Rodrygo?

Qwiss

Pepe LeFrits his slump in form is scoring and assisting at similar rates to the players everyone wants us to sign. His value will rise.

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