Declan Rice: Page 5 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Declan Rice

Clrnc

Kel Varnsen Agreed. Scott Parker is an apt description, maybe slightly more intelligent. But I rate Parker more than some here anyway.

The old fashion English tenacious CMs are often highly valued in this league and useful as well.

Meatwad

James

Nothing really new, but ES ramping it back up.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-fc-declan-rice-transfer-latest-chelsea-man-utd-b1070747.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1680086702

goon

I wonder if we're already negotiating with West Ham? It's surprising how much talk is out there.

Meatwad

i wish he had picked ireland. no way would he go for more than 60m if he wasn't an england international.

lorddulaarsenal

He’s immense.

est

lorddulaarsenal He looks like a throwback to our Invincible era midfielders. Big, strong, fast, surprisingly skilled at times and with a no nonsense tough style. Attributes like that will definitely take you far in this League. Far cry from the likes of Denilson or Torreira.

I'm warming to the idea of signing him. If Arteta's a big fan and thinks he can improve the squad, I trust his judgement. I still think we need a more deep lying, game-pace managing, quarteback-ish midfielder as well. Someone like Zubimendi maybe.

Don Pacifico

lorddulaarsenal

His passing and his ability on the ball is better than some would have you believe. With the right partner (ie. not Xhaka), I think he could replace Partey but the price tag is a worry.

Claudius

I want him.

Doc

I like him.. Not a fan of him being brought in for the 8 role though... more of a 6 for me... maybe if we are bring in the next Pirlo to play along side him but don't think that's is going to happen.. Give me a technical to rotate/replace Xhaka all day long.. Take a punt on a few youngsters maybe if we are going to splash out on Rice.. some one like Enzo Le Fée looks tasty

Caqueret may be a good shout too.

Clrnc

Don Pacifico why would the price tag be a worry when we have Kroenke? If we are willing to go 75m for Caicedo and 100m for Mudryk we can easily match Rice valuation.

It's just whether Edu and Arteta think it's worth it not

goon

Clrnc having Kroenke isn't license to waste money though. Even if you believe Stan is indefinitely writing out blank cheques (I highly doubt he is), our spending capacity is still limited to FFP constraints. If you spend 100m on Rice and he turns out to be average, we're probably stuck with him for a while and have less to spend elsewhere.

That being said, with our squad profile being so young and the team being fairly complete, the risks associated with overspending on one player are much lower. Rice's athleticism, size and rounded technical ability means he's a pretty safe bet to at least be a decent player.

Don Pacifico

Clrnc Yeah, what goon said basically.

I know we've discussed this previously but I'd also add that we shouldn't just be okay with increasing our debt unsustainably. CL revenue will help but our net incomings since being in Europa have been quite substantial. The higher our debt, the more precarious we are longer term.

Tam

Quick Google shows there are some articles from the end of 2022 which suggest it might not be clear cut and that we have come to the attention of UEFA. Doesn't seem to be clear because of the impact of COVID losses and how they are accounted for, alongside other allowable deductions, but it certainly doesn't paint a picture that we're well within FFP.

goon That being said, with our squad profile being so young and the team being fairly complete, the risks associated with overspending on one player are much lower. Rice's athleticism, size and rounded technical ability means he's a pretty safe bet to at least be a decent player.

It's one thing with the average age being so young, but he's coming into a midfield to take minutes from a Xhaka and Partey who are knocking on and might not have many years left as guaranteed first team starters. If we blow a load on him, it could still have a significant impact when it comes to replacing the other and finding Rice a longer term partner, or even replacement, depending how his time goes.

Clrnc

Yeah I do agree with that. I'm just saying money isn't a problem we have more than enough as evidence suggests. It's whether the price is within what our valuation think it's worth splurging on.

The last time I checked we are well within FFP no?

RowJimmy

One thing I'm not worried about is KSE making prudent long-term business decisions.
The more we spend on a player the more pointed the question as to whether this is the best person available for the amount of money at stake. How much more will Bellingham cost than Rice?

Burnwinter

Yeah it's the opportunity cost, or relative cost, not the absolute. Anyway, I would not necessarily think that us seeming to publicly pursue Rice either guarantees that he's our top target, or that we'll land him.

Rice has a profile big enough it means the busy transfer journalists are reasoning back from his availability to the need for stories like these. We're probably happy with it as it draws attention to us as a destination for star talent while obscuring other activity. But we will have other midfield targets, so … you can compare this to the Mudryk rumour.

Don Pacifico

Burnwinter Yeah, inclined to agree with this. There is a whiff of the 'Tielemans' about this. There's definitely been a couple of other names we've been linked to strongly who we've seemingly gone cold on once the window comes round.

Pepe LeFrits

I think there's plenty of evidence too that we're prepared to move in a big way for players enjoying a short enough run of form, so I'm slightly skeptical of these long running "number one target" type stories. Think our priority lists are probably quite dynamic and the financial side obviously plays a huge part too.

MistaT

I've come around to this transfer, but more so as a 8 replacement for Xhaka than to replace Partey as a 6.

Rice has tremendous stamina and pace, and with that we'll be able to both press and recover better than we can with Xhaka. Fair credit to Xhaka though - he certainly helps out defensively but Rice will bring us up a level, and with a game type more in tune with how to play in Europe.

Not sure I like him as our sole DM though. Too much of his game is based on his ability to push the ball past a man on the run, and I think it'll be hard to curb that skill/instinct which we need from our 6.

« Previous Page Next Page »