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Sicario2

USArsenal I have higher standards than you.

The fact this club hasn’t won anything major for 21 years and nothing at all in 5 years is seen as ok but some. I just find it bizarre. We think like we are a big club but rarely do we act it, including fans too.

Sicario2

RocktheCasbah we were saying this shit last summer and nothing happened. As a result it ruined our season when many were ok with the window. Listen to me when I give warning signals. Our window of success if very very short. This summer and this season is MASSIVE.

Mirth

Sicario2 the thing is your warning signals are based on tweets.

What is your actual benchmark of when to panic? For me, I'd expect to see at least two signings wrapped up before pre-season.

Basing activity on whether Ornstein has tweeted about it is essentially just a measure of who is leaking what at this stage and all your really saying is that you wish we or our targets leaked more to the press.

RocktheCasbah

Sicario2 mate you shout "fire!" so often, if you were a business the fire brigade would have shut you down by now. None of us can influence what Arsenal do, or don't do - so this WE MUST DO IT NOW energy is incredibly misplaced, especially on day 2 of the window.

JazzG

Sicario2 Just going out and blowing massive wages on players is what has got them into this mess. Mbeumo would have been a second choice player for us and instead he is now a massive signing for Man Utd. That is the difference, would have been good depth signing for us but not the end of the world.

LW, CM and CF, get those three signings right and we back on the right path. CM looks near enough done, CF we are making progress and now we need to go all out for a LW.

Sicario2

Look if we get all 3 key position signings done I’ll be over the moon. Just nervous the club will leave us short as per last 3 windows. Admittedly other clubs going for decent players plays a part in getting anxious. All I want to do is win. Hate, hate coming second and tired of it quite frankly.

JazzG

Sicario2 You can't panic 2 days into the window, these big deals take time to get resolved. Start of the window selling clubs usually want to drag it out for a bit as well to get more interest. Look at Zubimendi, we've been working on that for over a year. Had to fight off Liverpool and Real Madrid and nearly have got it over the line.

USArsenal

JazzG nearly have got it over the line.

And to be honest, we probably already have it over the line, we just haven't announced it yet.

JazzG

USArsenal Probably but don't want to jinx it!

HomeSteak

Delap already second choice striker at Chelsea, come August will be 3rd lol

We will end up as the only team to not sell to the Saudis lol

Tam

Don Pacifico If you'd told me the year we bought Jens Lehmann in the summer was the season we'd go unbeaten, I wouldn't have believed you.

It's correlation but not always causation.

If you’d told me the year bought Petr Cech, and only Petr Cech, in the summer when we were looking good as one of the favourites for the title, was the season we’d lose a league title to Leicester City, I’d absolutely have believed you.

Your Lehmann example is closer to the exception which proves the rule. I think Sicario’s somewhat misguided in his frustration at this point, but he’s absolutely right that we have consistently left ourselves short by 1-2 key players in most windows.

On the other hand, we’re all assuming, contrary to Sicario, that there is some progress on a striker. If we’re not in a fairly advanced discussion and getting towards the nitty gritty of a deal, I’d absolutely question why it’s taking so long when we’ve apparently been working on them for a year or so.

Don Pacifico

Tam my point is that 'winning the transfer window' is a really blunt indicator of how likely a club is to progress.

Klaus

There's a difference between having a team that has already won the league, like Liverpool or the Invincibles, doing it again, and thinking signing Petr Cech will be the final push that gets you over the hill though.

HomeSteak

Klaus imagine we had a real director of football after Dein left. Wenger would have won a few more titles...that summer if we pushed for it, 3-4 decent players we would have walked it.

JazzG

HomeSteak Not just a proper director of football, someone with Wenger's respect and someone to work with him rather than against him. Gazidis was useless and you got the impression Wenger didn't like working with him. Whereas with Dein you knew they were a partnership with the same vision.

The problem was there was civil war at board room level, Kroenke's were making their moves, Usmanov came in and trying to take over and the club basically was getting pulled in different directions and ended up going nowhere.

Klaus

HomeSteak Deff. Everyone knew what we needed but there was no groundwork being laid.

I think in hindsight that was probably the season that made Arsenal rethink and create a proper sporting director role, and then it took a few years to go through the motions and find the right people. I hope that we back Berta fully now that he's on board because he's not here to mess around, unlike the Rauls of this world.

daredevil

It's been clear for a very long time that the club is happy being part of the chasing pack, but doesn't have the appetite to go beyond that. If we fell out of the CL again, we'd likely commit a lot of funds towards returning but now that we've established a CL position, we're operating on a one-in, one out basis and are chasing projects.

Klaus

daredevil It's been clear for a very long time that the club is happy being part of the chasing pack, but doesn't have the appetite to go beyond that.

I think that's hundred percent correct, and just looking at how things turned out I bet that was the reason no one was signed in January too: they made a pro and con list and realised Arsenal were unlikely to overtake Liverpool anyway, so why pay over the odds for a striker.

Obviously, that sort of thinking is how you go wrong and then continue to go wrong: we are unlikely to overtake Manchester City anyway, so it would be stupid to take big risks on a striker in the summer of 2024. We then realise we're unlikely to overtake Liverpool in January 2025, so let's keep the powder dry a bit longer, etc. And the knock-on effect is that you always end up on the wrong side of margins when push comes to shove: Would a proper striker in the summer have had the mentality to take a proper penalty against United instead of whatever the fuck Havertz was doing? Would a striker in January have made any difference against PSG, maybe converted some of that superior xG into actual goals? And so forth. We're not talking about miniscule contributions here, we're talking about a potential FA Cup final and a de facto Champions League final.

Manchester United went wrong the same moment they employed Woodward, who stood up and said the quiet part out loud, that he believed there is no correlation between a football club's success on the pitch and its profitability. I think there are too many types like that still around at Arsenal too.

JazzG

He wanted £200k a week, fair enough if you can get it I suppose.

flobaba

He was one of the more productive wingers /players in the league, and his counterparts at top four clubs are getting similar (eg Martinelli). It's a fair starting point for negotiations from his perspective. Man U is probably paying him the full 200K with no stipulations. 😂

awooga83

flobaba yeah I was going to say he's been a player that's delivered for his club in his role so that's fair. We took on havertz at a real low point and were happy to commit £250k so not sure we can dismiss that as unreasonable when we have done similar.

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