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USArsenal

Ripped apart again.. 2-0 RM (4-0 agg)

MistaT

USArsenal -- the definition of walking it in 🫣

MistaT

Leao could play across the front three (or at least LWF and CF) far better than Krava. I also think his physicality would shine in any league.

But yeah, Krava has more in terms of pass and move.

Both great players.

banduan

MistaT But yeah, Krava has more in terms of pass and move.

Who's Krava? Kvaradona?

MistaT

Cucurella with the most naive pressing before Rodrygo's goal

GooneriC

Krava misses a penalty chance to get Napoli back in the game

GooneriC

Bennacer has been so good for Milan lately.

lorddulaarsenal

Brahim is elite

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Never underestimate CL DNA #forzamilan

Clrnc

Is there anyone more consistent than him in football?

Burnwinter

Honestly surprised by how shite Lampard has done, I had thought Potter was holding Chelsea back with stress and over-zealous tinkering. But the Chelsea dressing room has just told Frank to get back in the bin, they could hardly be less impressed with their leaders.

Surely there's gotta be some bargains available from them in the summer.

Claudius

Burnwinter the vanity of trying to build a ten overnight. Reminds me of all those failed SoftBank startups like WeWork. You can’t just throw an insane amount of money at a process and hope that allows you to bypass important steps in building an identity, creating cohesion amongst your core, and testing & learning. Hubris.

jones

Burnwinter would've said so too but anyone we'd be getting would come with crushed self belief and confidence

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Burnwinter
Potter was always a fraud, I said it from day 1. Can’t believe people were actually wanting him to replace Arteta (Klaus). He has been found out at a bigger club with actual pressure and De Zebri has shown him up at Brighton too with them playing better football , being in a better position and scoring more goals.

Burnwinter

Claudius Reminds me of all those failed SoftBank startups like WeWork.

True, but Chelsea won the Champions League a couple of years ago before the oligarch crackdown, this should at worst have been a reboot.

It does seem Boehly's arrogance and ignorance, and his fund manager level understanding of each of Clearlake's wildly different investments, has contributed to how poorly they've recovered and recohered after Abramovich.

Claudius

It’s terrible ego. Would’ve been great if he had dumped Pottwe earlier. So that the legend Lampard could relegate the bastards. Let them get kicked around on some bogs for a year

Burnwinter

jones True, but they'd be coming into one of the youngest and most united dressing rooms in the league for now.

Tam

Imagine they had to replace Lampard before the end of the season. That would be beautiful.

Claudius

I hate Chelsea more than Spurs.
Even more than United. Remember how United kicked Reyes into the air, and they also kicked us at Cardiff but still lost.

Qwiss

Sicario2 - Tier 1 and De Zebri has shown him up at Brighton too with them playing better football , being in a better position and scoring more goals.

This is such a rewriting of history. Potter finished 8th last season. Brighton are now 7th and Potter had them on their best start to a season ever before he moved to Chelsea. De Zerbi has done a brilliant job but none of it would be possible without the amazing job Potter had already done there.

Chelsea is a shambles of a club and Boehly hasn't a fucking clue what he's doing. Potter has no more been shown up than Tuchel has.

Don Pacifico

Not that I ever suggested Potter replace Arteta but gotta say I think that logic is flawed.

Brighton were 4th when Potter left and albeit that was earlier in the season, I don't think it's inconceivable that they'd be in the same position they are now with him in charge; likewise, the existing squad was more or less entirely built by him.

Failing at Boehly's Chelsea really shouldn't be a black mark on anyone's managerial record. If the club are operating in a way that is completely at odds with the manager's vision (it's almost like Boehly is trying to sabotage things) then the odds of failure are very high.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Don Pacifico

Just because two shit managers (Potter and Lampard) have done shit under Boehly doesn’t mean a good manager will do the same.

No doubt a Enrique or a Nagelsmann will improve them next season. They’ve got a talented squad. Just needs to be tweaked and for them to sign a proper Striker.

Burnwinter

Don Pacifico Failing at Boehly's Chelsea really shouldn't be a black mark on anyone's managerial record.

Quite agree with that. I think Potter's been quite damaged by the experience—glad to see he has taken a break from management till summer. It was evident in a few of his press conferences that he was feeling deeply embittered and endangered by his role.

Managing a football club is evidently a very tough job that requires a thick skin. I doubt I could do it (purely on the level of emotional resilience, obviously I couldn't do it on a technical level). Equally, I don't celebrate those personalities in the sport that are evidently damaged themselves and apt to damage others. As Ferguson was, for example.

So much of Wenger's greatness was to do with him being a humane leader. Occasionally you hear Arteta refer to it, if not as a natural inclination for him, then at least as a model to follow.

Sicario2 - Tier 1 No doubt a Enrique or a Nagelsmann will improve them next season. They’ve got a talented squad.

Boehly's been overconfident and has made bad decisions in a chaotic situation, but he's a fund management nerd. Once he grasps he's been an operational risk, he'll bring in proper expertise to support him and Chelsea will start to return to the mean, which is top six. Given the situation they have been in, finding their new Granovskaia will be more important (within parameters) than the new manager.

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