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Hello Zinchenko

Qwiss

He switches off playing the ball too, reminiscent of pre-last season Xhaka. Great technical ability fools people into thinking he's smart IMO. Concentration is poor, positionally suspect, defensively clueless. Just look at him showing Salah into a goal scoring position this week. It's such a basic mistake. Very emotional player too, fell apart last season after that City game where their players bullied him after the match.

Meatwad

Claudius
our strength lies in our offensive game? i haven't seen this offensive game so far. zinny doesn't offer anything special in attack that allow you to ignore the defensive liability. our attack didn't look worse with tomi playing.

awooga83

I think he's a brain dead defender. He's a good player in an attacking sense but not good enough to be a full on midfielder and too much of a defensively liability. Against Salah kept shaping up to run outside when he obviously wants to cut in. It's why city moved him on and even when he played in their team he never played full matches either subbed on or 50-60 mins taken off because they knew he wasn't a full 90 minute player.

Coombs

Zinchenko is a unique footballer. Very few in the world like him, and the way he plays the fullback position has truly transformed the role, perhaps worldwide.

He the definition of avant-garde. He paved the way, but it's up to others to take it from here.

goon

I reckon people confuse him giving the ball away in defence with him being a bad defender. Don't get me wrong, he's not a great defender, but neither are TAA or Cancelo and that never stopped them. I can't actually remember that many defensive mistakes. What really sticks in people's minds is him losing the ball once or twice a game in our own half.

I do think medium-long term we can phase him out, but in the meantime he just needs to learn to play it quicker in defence and cut out the low percentage crap and the downsides will be a non-factor.

Coombs

goon generally agree, but Salah literally walked past him for the goal. In the moment, it was enraging.

Meatwad

goon
TAA's attacking contributions are in a completely different world to zinchenco's. you make those sacrifices for someone like TAA.

and pep got tired of cancelo too.

flobaba

goon he is shit and has to go. Would be on the bench more often than not if Timber was fit. He'd definitely not have made the first team for the Liverpool game if Tomiyasu were available. Arteta wants his defenders to defend first. Soon as our other defenders are fit, he becomes a rotation/squad player.

Qwiss

goon TAA isn't a great defender but I haven't seen him make a glaringly stupid decision like showing someone like Salah onto their strong foot the way he did last week. You could pick most championship left backs and they wouldn't make such a grevious error. It's so basic I was utterly shocked by it. Salah is like Saka, you give him that and he'll destroy you. I haven't seen defenders offer Saka onto his left like that. It was amateur defending.

I don't think he's gonna change either. He is what he is. Like I say he's a benefit when we dominate possession but against the top teams he's not it

goon

Coombs

It was really weak, but I don't think even a good full back should be left alone out there with Salah of all people. Look at the difference when we got the ball to Martinelli vs Trent, Konate was out there like a shot.

QuincyAbeyie

Haven't you considered Salah to be past it for nearly two years now?

daredevil

There's a few reasons to have go at him in recent games, chiefly his lapses on the ball. But Salah having his way with him isn't one of them.

Coombs

daredevil why not? It's not that he gets beat, it's that he too often simply doesn't put up a fight. Tomi would get beat now and again, but he'd at least challenge.

Gunner89

Can see why pep didn't trust him much though he's still a good option to have as a squad player but not a first teamer for me

goon

Meatwad

Zinchenko is there to progress the ball for us and he consistently tops those stats for us.

Pep got tired of him after his performances took a big dip after he played a key part their near 100 point seasons.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

goon do you remember specifically how his performances dipped at City?

Gunner89

A glance tells me that his maximum league appearances at City were in 20/21 and even that season he only started 15 league games. He's clearly been nothing more than a squad player for pep albeit a useful one.

He can already exceed his total league starts for city by the end of the season.

I can understand the liverpool mistake but he made one against brighton that nearly led to equalizer and the villa goal too. That's a key mistake in 3 consecutive league games.

flobaba

Gunner89 he drops at least a clanger a game in my opinion. It's the norm, rather than the exception these days. Yes, losing Xhaka might have exposed him a bit, but he has to do better with his basic positioning and decision making in our defensive third. Nobody should have to babysit him.

Qwiss

Coombs Whites gotten a lot of criticism lately and fairly so but he's misjudged distances a little. That costs you at this level but what Zinchenko did against possibly the best winger around is so much worse. It's not a small detail, it's not a misjudgement it's a calamity.

Gazza M

flobaba can't be understated how much xhaka protected him last season, and I think it allowed him to play with a much greater degree of confidence and impact. without that confidence and support, alot of his best qualities are neutered.

JazzG

I think some people just have it in for him, he isn't nowhere near as bad as people make it. Salah has twisted the insides of far better defenders than him. I think if anything in that match Gabriel probably should have better getting closer, Konate did that well to help Trent against Martinelli.

Against top sides he doesn't start imo but against sides where we are going to be much more dominant then he definitely still has a role to play.

Burnwinter

goon He's not great but he's passable

Oh, he's very passable.

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