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Mourinho finally loses a league home game

Ricky1985

My mind is made up, Lagos - we have money, but we don't have Mourinho money or anything like it.

Ricky1985

Mourinho wins with teams that have an average age of 28-32. His management style and the way his teams play requires experience. We don't have a lot of that, it would have to be bought - that costs serious, serious money in this day and age.

He has spent money and recruited experience at every club he has been at, that's his way. He's done that at Real Madrid even after inheriting a squad that had already cost hundreds of millions of pounds to assemble.

Pepe LeFrits

He's spent considerable amounts at 3 of his 4 clubs, Lagos. It's not an unreasonable point he's making. Even at Porto, his spending was considerable in domestic terms. Inter sold Ibra for mega money but do we have such an asset? Even if we do, I'm not sure I'd fancy seeing spent a big chunk of it on a 30 year old with one or two seasons left in him and no sell on value.

Ricky1985

Lagos, at Inter, Mourinho signed; Lucio, Thiago Motta, Wesley Sneijder, Diego Milito, Samuel Eto'o, Goran Pandev - and others - forget about the transfer fees for a moment, can you imagine how much money some of those players were/are on?

Way, way, way out of our League - that's for sure.

And why are you ignoring the Chelsea spending as if it doesn't count? The fact is he went there and in order to win what he did, he spent an astonishing amount of money. The wages their top 15 players or so was/are on is incredible.

Ricky1985

By "top clubs" you mean which clubs exactly?

Burnwinter

Lagos wrote:
I'd be interested to know what his yearly net spending has been at his clubs outside of Chelsea. I'd be surprised if it's not in line with what top clubs spend or what obtained at the club before he arrived there

The Swiss Ramble from when Mourinho transitioned to Benitez ought to give you an idea when it comes to Inter:

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2010/08/price-of-inters-success.html

Financially they're a total basket case, before, during and after Mourinho.

Burnwinter

Ricky1985 wrote:
By "top clubs" you mean which clubs exactly?

Some special list which doesn't include Chelsea, Inter and Real ... clubs that are all in the top two or three clubs in the top three leagues in Europe.

Ricky1985

Lagos wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
By "top clubs" you mean which clubs exactly?

clubs that don't think CL qualification is a success but a given

Well, it's been a given at Arsenal for 15 years now, Lagos.

Look, at every single club Mourinho has been at he has had a considerable financial advantage over all of his domestic rivals. You can't argue with that statement. The wage bill of whichever club he's managing has always been comfortably the biggest in whichever country he's managing in. He spends serious money to achieve what he does. If you want to ignore the fact that the crazy Ibrahimovic sale to Barcelona hugely skews the spending figures at Inter or ignore the fact that there is much more to spending than just the transfer fee, then that's up to you.

Ricky1985

Lagos wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
Lagos, at Inter, Mourinho signed; Lucio, Thiago Motta, Wesley Sneijder, Diego Milito, Samuel Eto'o, Goran Pandev - and others - forget about the transfer fees for a moment, can you imagine how much money some of those players were/are on?

Way, way, way out of our League - that's for sure.

And why are you ignoring the Chelsea spending as if it doesn't count? The fact is he went there and in order to win what he did, he spent an astonishing amount of money. The wages their top 15 players or so was/are on is incredible.

Because anybody selling to chelsea or City was/is always going to sell at a premium. Are you trying to tell me that Mancini and the other chap before him can only manage if they have money simply because they were managers at Mancity? Chelsea were trying to break into the elite of football but had no pedigree so they spent. On the whole he bought very good players at a premium which he wouldn't if he were at another club, like I said it's not like he went out buying the Ronaldinho's and Robinhos of this world

I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. Chelsea won lots of trophies, they did so by spending half a billion pound, premium or no premium, they spent half a billion pound!

If Mourinho didn't win trophies with that kind of advantage then he'd be a pretty poor manager.

And no Mancini probably can't manage without money, he won a few Serie A titles with Inter, with every advantage possible, but with a huge financial advantage at Man City he's done little to be impressed with - and will probably get sacked this summer. And Mark Hughes, who you referred to, has never proven to be anything but an average manager either.

Ricky1985

This is getting a little tedious. I can't even remember where we started now. Mourinho is a very, very good manager, much better than crap like Mancini, but, like every manager, he needs top quality players to be successful, and he needs experience too. He won't win the Champions League this year because he doesn't have that to the extent he needs it at Real Madrid. And he'd have the same problem at Arsenal, unless he spent huge money, on top class, experienced players.

Claudius

Fans who attack Mourinho for winning with money, neglect a few things

He won with no money in Porto
Inter struggled for years to make an impact in Europe before he came. His net spend of 19 million euros per season is very reasonable. It's in range for what clubs like Villa and Sunderland are spending in England.
He triumphed where Tinkerman had failed with Chelsea in England.

Sure he had money, but he did better than the others before him who had just as much money wherever he went. Also, he only had that money because people with lots of money were willing to trust him with it. He should not be penalized for being successful and the preferred target of rich club owners

Mirth

Mourinho's a brilliant coach with or without his financial leverage.

Thankfully, he's never going to manage Arsenal, whether we have money or 'Mourinho money' or no money.

MangoDjourou

If Jose doesn't win anything with Real this season he could get sacked for the second time since leaving Porto, that's a bit embarrasing for someone sooo special...

Claudius

That's what you get for working the top jobs. Special people get sacked everywhere. Ask Steve Jobs, for example

Kel Varnsen

MangoDjourou wrote:
If Jose doesn't win anything with Real this season he could get sacked for the second time since leaving Porto, that's a bit embarrasing for someone sooo special...

no, he won't. real madrid have improved a lot under mourinho and he will get at least one more year.

Claudius

Well, he still has a chance in the CL. Adebayor still has an appetite for scoring against Spurs.

Biggus

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Caligula wrote:
That's what you get for working the top jobs. Special people get sacked everywhere. Ask Steve Jobs, for example

Aye- much safer to stay in a nice safe cocoon where no one up above (if they are indeed above) questions you and they're happy when you finish 4th.

Pepe LeFrits

Caligula wrote:
Fans who attack Mourinho for winning with money, neglect a few things

He won with no money in Porto

Inter struggled for years to make an impact in Europe before he came. His net spend of 19 million euros per season is very reasonable. It's in range for what clubs like Villa and Sunderland are spending in England.

He triumphed where Tinkerman had failed with Chelsea in England.

Sure he had money, but he did better than the others before him who had just as much money wherever he went. Also, he only had that money because people with lots of money were willing to trust him with it. He should not be penalized for being successful and the preferred target of rich club owners

The point is that he wouldn't have the kind of funds he's used to, and when it comes to wheeling & dealing, he is largely unproven.

Claudius

Seemed to wheel and deal rather nicely to put the finishing touches on his Inter squad last year.

Tony Montana

Only Wenger has proven he can deal with little money.

Ferguson and Mourinho (particularly him) need lots of money to succeed and all other managers out there are average at best.

Look, Mourinho is a very very good coach but he needed a lot of luck to win the CL with both Porto and Inter.

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