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Jesus

tazmania

He's been out for so long, I'd be surprised if he's half as good by end of year

Sicario2

Qwiss

When will he be available to play? Probably get fit at the same time as Havertz and be of no real benefit to us.

Klaus

Qwiss Yeah. Gonna take months of being back in the squad before he's even fit enough to make a start, and who would he start in place of, with no knees and after a year's absence?

The club is pushing all these updates because they hope someone might take a loan punt in January. Bloke's on top of the pile in Berta's "Outgoing" tray.

JazzG

Qwiss I think we should be aiming to ease him in and hopefully be ready for the 2nd half of the season after Christmas. Havertz/Gyokeres will hopefully be back towards the end of the month so we shouldn't rush Jesus back.

Qwiss

Klaus I'd have been happy to have him as back up in Kai's absence but when Kai and Victor are fit I don't see much space for him. TBH I doubt he'd be as good up front as Merino anyway.

JazzG

Klaus The club is pushing all these updates because they hope someone might take a loan punt in January. Bloke's on top of the pile in Berta's "Outgoing" tray.

Apart from a loan in Brazil not sure anyone will take a punt on him after such a long lay off. Jesus might be up for that with a World cup year coming up. However we need to look at ourselves first, money will be tight and it is always difficult to do business in January so maybe someone we should be looking to keep and then reassess things in the summer. He can provide cover on the wings and CF, that of course is dependant on him keeping fit.

USArsenal

He's basically 3rd (or 4th) choice up front in any of the 3 positions. Behind Vik, Kai and probably/maybe Merino.. Behind Saka & Noni (and maybe Max) on the right, and behind Martinelli, Eze and Trossard on the left. Now, thats if everyone is fit, of course, which they never are. He will get sparing minutes IMO. Maybe like the last 10 minutes of a game or something like that. (or cup games).

Klaus

JazzG We indeed need to look out for ourselves first, and part of that should entail offloading him by any means necessary imo. Get someone in who will be likely to contribute instead, nail that league finish and CL final push.

JazzG

Klaus January windows are tough, very rare a good opportunity comes up and a lot of the time a massive premium needs to be paid. We have gone probably beyond our financial limits in the summer so I'm not convinced how much money will be available. Also hypothetically if we get all our squad fit we have a lot of players and need to keep them happy and sharp. We need to be laser focussed on getting the right player rather than just a player for the sake of it.

Burnwinter

I generally agree, but I'd like to get a look at him before the winter window so that it's a fully informed decision to ship him out.

Even if he's doing well, we should take any offer we can get. Perhaps he'll be eager to move on if he understands it'll be slim pickings.

RowJimmy

No upside for us in buying out his contract.

USArsenal

JazzG

This. January for us will only be about an 'incredible opportunity' if it arises. We did our necessary business in the summer, and maybe if some disgruntled player that wants out of their current team comes along (like a Trossard), maybe we take a punt on them. Otherwise, i dont see much in January.

Qwiss

If you can offload him without paying out his contract I think you take that deal. If he can get fit there might be opportunities for that in January. It'd require Jesus going along with it but if Arteta tells him there is very little playing time here he might go for it. I'm not sure Arteta will be that ruthless with him but you never know with Mikel.

JazzG

USArsenal Exactly, unless a special opportunity comes up or one of our key targets becomes available I doubt we'll see much.

Mirth

If we’re in 4 competitions come Jan, we should keep him. I don’t expect a lot but we get a lot of injuries and we need rotation options.

From Jesus’ perspective, it’s better if he stays as well - get 6 months of consistently being fit and available to find a really good loan move in the summer

USArsenal

Mirth but we get a lot of injuries and we need rotation options.

You mean like right now? Lol. We currently have 5 forwards (Kai, GabMart, Noni, VG, Jesus) and our '10' (Ode) out with injury.

Its amazing how much we strengthened in the summer, and yet most of our forwards are out injured. Thinking its maybe because of the pressing, defense back to offense that they are constantly being asked to do. Thats a lot of wear and tear on the body.

Klaus

Mirth I don’t expect a lot but we get a lot of injuries and we need rotation options.

I'm going to stop repeating this, but I really think this is why we need squad players we can count on. Otherwise we're just gonna keep grinding the key players down.

Then again Arteta probably has to take some blame too: he's legitimately awful at rotating players. Even when we do have squad options around they're rarely used until he has broken his first choices. I doubt that's gonna change after six years on the job.

Klaus

USArsenal Yeah I think Gyökeres's injury in particular could have been prevented if we hadn't started him in 12 games in 30 days or something like that. Bloke's been missing like 3 games in the past 4 years due to injury, but it only took Arteta a couple of months to equal that.

I don't understand why Merino couldn't have started one or two of those games. Maybe he's not an ideal striker but he's the backup we entered the season with. Arteta either needs to use the options he has or sign better backups.

daredevil

Klaus

Gyokeres sustained his injury after a week long break. Reminds me of the the time Jesus injured himself in the WC training camp after playing every game for 3 months. Sometimes it's the rest and break that then leads to the injuries.

Mirth

Klaus this is what I meant when I said it wasn't Havertz who was injury prone. Havertz played 45-50 games for 4 seasons straight but over reliance on him caused him to pick up injuries. The same happened with Odegaard and Ben White.

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