I love to be right, but you seem to think that some joy that Arteta might be closer to getting the sack outweighs any bad feelings from watching Arsenal lose 2-0 to Brentford, which is laughable. No matter how much I want Arteta to get fired I'm always happy if we play well and win.
Nobody wants Ben White to fail. But almost everyone wants to see the justification for the money we laid out for him
It’s not that complicated is it?
Captain wrote: Big Willie wrote: Wrong about what? That people are actively hoping we don't make the top 4 and that White flops? There's no benefit to that. Nebulous reasoning is not a new thing in football fan circles. 😆
Big Willie wrote: Wrong about what? That people are actively hoping we don't make the top 4 and that White flops? There's no benefit to that.
Wrong about what? That people are actively hoping we don't make the top 4 and that White flops? There's no benefit to that.
Nebulous reasoning is not a new thing in football fan circles. 😆
Didn'y you predict 4 points from the first 2 months of the season?
apparently that was with love and our predictions are with hate.
goon wrote: Whether people will admit it or not, they want to be proven right more than they want to be happy.
Whether people will admit it or not, they want to be proven right more than they want to be happy.
That's crazy, no way. Everyone here except the usual trolls want Arsenal to be successful and win everything. I can bet my house on that. Who wants to see us or our players fail?
i want to be proven so wrong that i am ashamed to have ever written the things that i did. i don't see that happening though.
Qwiss! wrote: Captain wrote: Nebulous reasoning is not a new thing in football fan circles. 😆 Didn'y you predict 4 points from the first 2 months of the season?
Captain wrote: Nebulous reasoning is not a new thing in football fan circles. 😆
Yes, and then?
White is going to be grand once we have a manager who knows what he's doing, and the same will be true for a lot of players. No need to fret too much over him or anyone else at the moment.
Nothing particularly new but a positive write-up on White from interviews with his previous colleagues. Talk about his maturity, his leadership etc. Hope he can fulfil the promise.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58208642
everything I've read points to him being a resilient character. lord knows we'll put his bouncebackability to the test
I didn't know much about white so this season is going to my first view of him. With the price tag they're is the expectation and certainly the sense he's ready to perform now in the back line.
That will perhaps be the biggest challenge early on if he can match that idea.
you can see the passing ability isn't overhyped, but defensively he has a long way to go. we'll see how gets on in coming months, but again, spending 50m on centre half with these holes in his game then telling fans it'll take years for him to come good - it circles back to the point of why blow 50m on him at all if that's the case
I think we need to separate White himself from the people who over paid for him. He's got some world class qualities and a few areas where he's a bit raw. He should be judged as a young player with a few things to learn, similar to Gabriel last season. He'll have good games and bad and deserves patience. The price and the Engerland boys shouldn't let the rest of us over hype and pile pressure on. With time, the right coaching and the right set up White can be top class.
my issue ire is mainly directed at the people who bought him, but tbh it might too much for me to swallow signing a 50m project. we've already made that massive mistake with pepe. I can accept a project in the case of gabriel who moved from another country and cost about half of what white cost. it really depends on how much of a project he is, but if he's cripplingly poor in the air and gets targeted all season, what is one supposed to say? thems the breaks?
I thought he was great yesterday, genuinely top class on the ball. Was much better in the air too, won most of his duels from where I was sitting, only dodgy moment was when he let Pukki roll him.
It’s a myth that he’s poor in the air. Ok it’s not a strength as such but he’s ok.
Most centrebacks will struggle against Ivan Toney on that front.
What he brings with his possession play far outweighs any small negatives anyway.
it can't be a total myth if the stats bear it out
It's not a myth at all. You don't even need the stats to see it. Like Ricky said though he's not that short and has a decent leap, just needs the right coaching to sort it out. Might need to hit the weight room too, needs to be stronger 1 on 1, not just in the air.
It's definitely a weak point right now but cripplingly bad is probably hyperbole unless Brentford is the norm, but he won most of his duels yesterday unless I'm mistaken.
