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Tammy Abraham

Gazza M

they also have the means to absorb expensive mistakes like kepa, Werner, bakayoko etc. we can't do that. when we get a pepe or lacazette, we ride that sumbitch into the ground come hell or high water

Qwiss

Clrnc wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Players who score goals always command a big fee. Abraham has pretty much always scored a lot of goals. I'd be surprised if he doesn't score close to 20 this season.

Yeah but then you look at all the other Chelsea sales this window, and all these fees are excluding those other clauses.

Lukaku basically came back for free. It's ridiculous how every club can sell so well every window and our highest rated prospects is going for peanuts with little or no sell on fees and crap.

Guehi is the weird one there.

jones

Tomori is also overpriced, still a much better deal than Guehi though. Moses too, he's 31 and been on fifty loans in the last few years and they still get 5m for him. Tammy should be going for half that maybe, one 15 goal season, two good ones in the Championship and the last one where he barely played and he's going for as much as genuine class forwards did before corona messed everyone's finances up.

goon

Chelsea are much better at finding value creating loans for their players. Loads of their guys seem to go out to good Championship teams and end up becoming integral figures.

I understand they didn't actually want to sell Guehi, but found the offer too good to refuse.

Clrnc

Not only Chelsea, but Liverpool City Spurs as well. And not just players on loan, some random youth players who hasn't gone out on loan went for high fees too

We are really the odd one out there.

Qwiss

goon wrote:
Chelsea are much better at finding value creating loans for their players. Loads of their guys seem to go out to good Championship teams and end up becoming integral figures.

I understand they didn't actually want to sell Guehi, but found the offer too good to refuse.

If they had loaned out a 21 year English CM who scored 8 PL goals in half a season they'd have got similar for him as they have for Abraham.

goon

Debatable. All I know is to become a £35m player Abraham went on three loans where he scored 74 goals in 167 games and then game back to Chelsea and scored 21 in 58, getting 6 England caps in the process and a CL winners medal.

Tomori went on 4 loans playing 112 games with a decent season for Chelsea in between.

Ghehi went on loan to a good Championship team for 18 months and become ever present.

We have Willock 14 games to impress. We got lucky with how well his loan spell actually went, otherwise we'd have probably sold him for half of what we did.

jones

Abraham got 15 goals in one good season where he was the only finisher ahead of Mount Pulisic Jorginho etc and still looked like a donkey half the time. His two loans where he got the majority of goals you listed were in the Championship where he got outscored by the likes of Mitrovic and Pukki.

Same with Tomori all loans at clubs in the Championship. Guehi was also in the Championship.

Willock has just 14 games but he put together an outrageous scoring run against pretty much every top team in that short while. Guendouzi was a starter and did very well for Berlin who are a bit shit but still a lot better than Hull City or Derby. Marseille will buy him for some 10m or so. Torreira was on loan at Atletico, barely played fair enough but neither did Abraham last season. One will go for 40m to Roma the other is linked with a 12m move to Lazio.

Yes we absolutely can and have to improve at loaning our players out. How our players do however isn't relevant here, we're simply horrible at selling while Chelsea extract every single pound from even their trash.

goon

I'm just saying bad loans are one of the reasons (a big one imo) why we're trash at selling. They may well be Championship loans but they're championship loans to good clubs who get a lot of good exposure, especially to the cash rich bottom half PL clubs. Good loans not only get you good money for your players, but it seemingly keeps said players happier for longer.

Case in point, when Eddie's loan to Leeds got cut short we could have extended his contract and got him another loan. Instead we kept him for 18 months to play about 5 games in total. Now he's down to the last year and refusing to sign, meaning we HAVE to sell him. Malen is another example, why did this guy never go out on loan? Chelsea are much, much better at managing these situations.

Liverpool just lucked imo, not convinced they'll be able to repeat that trick.

mdgoonah41

agree that we should be developing relationships with championship clubs and loaning our players there, not to teams in france or the netherlands or greece. get the youngsters exposure in england, let the english media hype them, then we can actually sell for a decent profit

Anzac

mdgoonah41 wrote:
agree that we should be developing relationships with championship clubs and loaning our players there, not to teams in france or the netherlands or greece. get the youngsters exposure in england, let the english media hype them, then we can actually sell for a decent profit

Agreed if for no other reasons that they'll be adapted to the 'English Game'/'EPL ready', and more importantly from a post COVID financial perspective the EPL is where the money is other than for clubs like PSG and Bayern.

banduan

Chelsky's player sales are as dodgy as their signings.

Rohit

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58242137

This one can be locked. Very intrigued who our targets are for center forward are if we are trying hard to offload Laca and/ or Auba.

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