Gazza M wrote:

banduan wrote:

Time to get Onana.

allegedly him and/or his agent are asking for a massive sign on fee, which is why no-one has snapped him up yet

A sign on fee of 50m for Onana would still be better business than any deal over 5m for Ramsdale

Clrnc wrote:

No matter what other excuse we try to come up for them, it's absolutely shambolic. Still can't believe we tried 3 bids close to 20m for this joker. A clear sign our club doesn't know what they are doing.

If our GK coach or whoever had their way we might have let Leno Martinez leave and paid over 50m for Raya and Ramsdale

We bungled this and it is the best illustration of how badly managed we currently are. Letting Martinez go without locking Leno down was fucking criminal. 

Tambourine Man wrote:

Clrnc wrote:

No matter what other excuse we try to come up for them, it's absolutely shambolic. Still can't believe we tried 3 bids close to 20m for this joker. A clear sign our club doesn't know what they are doing.

If our GK coach or whoever had their way we might have let Leno Martinez leave and paid over 50m for Raya and Ramsdale

We bungled this and it is the best illustration of how badly managed we currently are. Letting Martinez go without locking Leno down was fucking criminal. 

right back was handled in a similar bungled fashion when we signed Cedric in January 2020 but ended up using AMN most of the time, with bellerin relegated to 3rd choice. now AMN is on the outs, who knows what's happening with Cedric, and we're scrambling to offer bellerin a new deal. 

trust the process

There's Saliba too. And Xhaka. The list of mishaps is long and costly.

Basically whatever that they could have done to sabotage the club they did. It's the stuff of nightmares.

Edu is apparently very active on social media. He must have known all the players they are targeting are frown upon by the fan base. And offering Xhaka a contract is criminal

But Martinez wanted to go and wouldn't sign a new contract.

100% correct to take 20m for a bit part player in that instance.

Gazza M wrote:

banduan wrote:

Time to get Onana.

allegedly him and/or his agent are asking for a massive sign on fee, which is why no-one has snapped him up yet

It really must be massive for him not too have been snapped up yet.

Hopefully we can thrash a deal out with him now that Sheffield United seem to have priced Ramsdale out of his move and Onana still hasn't got his big deal. I think it's likely Onana is our first choice given we were linked with him strongly at the start of the window so I'm hopeful.

I have to say, aside from the relief of not getting this done it's a joke that we've been pursuing this guy all summer only to pull out on the eve of the season without a viable backup goalie. Only way it would sort of make sense is if we know Onana will wait for us.

I have a feeling we will end up with Ramsdale. Sheffield will be crazy not to give in. Their fortunes in the Championship will not depend on him.

goon wrote:

I have to say, aside from the relief of not getting this done it's a joke that we've been pursuing this guy all summer only to pull out on the eve of the season without a viable backup goalie. Only way it would sort of make sense is if we know Onana will wait for us.

Given Onana's ban and the fact that Ajax have opnely said they will sell for £6m, there's a definite possibility we have had him in mind since the beginning after sounding him out about a deal. The same way we left Partey sitting there all summer, knowing we could go in at the eleventh hour and make him ours.

If we're going to keep Leno due to a lack of interest then Onana coming in at the latest possible moment before the window closes makes perfect sense. He can't train until September, so we'd just be paying his wages had we signed him earlier.

May be wishful thinking!

Captain wrote:

But Martinez wanted to go and wouldn't sign a new contract.

100% correct to take 20m for a bit part player in that instance.

because we backed leno as no 1, seemingly without getting assurances he was sticking around longterm. I didn't have an issue with selling emi and keepong leno, but leno now looking to run his deal only 1 year hence just looks like shitty contract management

No, it was because he wasn't promised a starting position. That's a key difference.

He virtually was, in his own words he was told he had a 95% chance of starting against Fulham. And what do you think Leno would have said last summer? I want to be No.1 but I'm not going to sign a new deal? Or should we have told Leno sign a new contract in the next couple of weeks even though you have 3 years left to prove your loyalty or we'll give the No.1 spot to the guy who has 1 year left but isn't signing a new deal.

Main point however, is that it wasn't folly to cash in at that point.

Don't blame Martinez either, he spent a decade as a no.2 and wanted to play. Went to Villa for that reason - it's not like he went Madrid or Bayern.

Not to mention, there was interest in Martinez, but seemingly a distinct lack of interest for Leno.

jones wrote:

Gazza M wrote:

allegedly him and/or his agent are asking for a massive sign on fee, which is why no-one has snapped him up yet

A sign on fee of 50m for Onana would still be better business than any deal over 5m for Ramsdale

This

My first choice, if we are looking for a GK, would be Areola frankly. I'd be happy to bring him onboard and make him #1. Don't see why he is doing the tour of Fulham and W.Ham and the likes. Seems to have it all for me - shot stopping, commands his box, great age and decent with his feet as well. I'm sure I am missing something as no one seems to be in for him, but not sure what that is.

He’s a good keeper yes.

Wouldn’t mind us making a move for Zack Steffen though

https://shewore.com/
Ramsdale deal “not dead” but “Arsenal have other options on the table”

https://gunnerstown.com/arsenal/2021/08/12/ramsdale-is-better-than-you-think-the-bournemouth-informed-inside-track-on-the-england-shot-stopper/

Not this shit again. On top of Xhaka? Fuck me this is such a useless club to support.

After Leno's display against Brentford this guy suddenly looks like a Buffon regen.

I don't understand these rumours. I'll admit I've never paid any attention to Ramsdale, but no one ever talks about him and his stats are bad. It seems so outrageous to go after him for the kind of fees that are being touted around. Is he actually good? How good can you be if you're behind Dean Henderson and Sam Johnstone in the pecking order for England?

I assure you within 5 matches you will ask yourself why did we even spend a dime on him

The Mustafi of goalkeepers.

odegaard and ramsdale, and that will be our lot

goon wrote:

After Leno's display against Brentford this guy suddenly looks like a Buffon regen.

Ramsdale had a tought night as well this weekend.

Klaus wrote:

I don't understand these rumours. I'll admit I've never paid any attention to Ramsdale, but no one ever talks about him and his stats are bad. It seems so outrageous to go after him for the kind of fees that are being touted around. Is he actually good? How good can you be if you're behind Dean Henderson and Sam Johnstone in the pecking order for England?

I watched him against the big sides last season and thought he looked terrible, to the point where I ridiculed them paying £20m for him. Read a couple of pieces that suggested he might have some promise in him, but even those were not exactly glowing and certainty don't suggest he's worth anywhere near the sort of fees we're seeing banded about.

HomeSteak wrote:

goon wrote:

After Leno's display against Brentford this guy suddenly looks like a Buffon regen.

Ramsdale had a tought night as well this weekend.

TBH I've seen worse from both Peter Schmeichel and Mark Bosnic at MU.

Klaus wrote:

I don't understand these rumours. I'll admit I've never paid any attention to Ramsdale, but no one ever talks about him and his stats are bad. It seems so outrageous to go after him for the kind of fees that are being touted around. Is he actually good? How good can you be if you're behind Dean Henderson and Sam Johnstone in the pecking order for England?

It starts making sense when you consider that our coaches and brass are completely retarded. Some have probably difficulties reading a report while others are either criminals looking to make some money or are pathologically contrarian. We're looking at Locatelli only to extend Xhaka. We have had an attack under Emery while not perfect scored 110+ goals two years ago. We have finished this league season on 55 goals, seven goals fewer than newly promoted Leeds, with a golden boot winner in his prime in the side and a winger who got 20+ goals in the league not long ago. We have Leno who was great, turned him to shit and now he wants to leave. We had Martinez who's even better then sell him, we sign Runnarson wanted Raya and now Ramsdale for 35m, which would make him like the 5th most expensive keeper ever.

goon wrote:

Klaus wrote:

I don't understand these rumours. I'll admit I've never paid any attention to Ramsdale, but no one ever talks about him and his stats are bad. It seems so outrageous to go after him for the kind of fees that are being touted around. Is he actually good? How good can you be if you're behind Dean Henderson and Sam Johnstone in the pecking order for England?

I watched him against the big sides last season and thought he looked terrible, to the point where I ridiculed them paying £20m for him. Read a couple of pieces that suggested he might have some promise in him, but even those were not exactly glowing and certainty don't suggest he's worth anywhere near the sort of fees we're seeing banded about.

I remember that, it was in the PL thread. We were both laughing at SHU being retards for paying a more expensive fee for him than Villa did for Martinez and how Ramsdale costed them badly in every match.

One of the biggest reason Sheffield was relegated was the difference in quality between Henderson and Ramsdale.

Okay okay, you guys win! I'm getting excited now.

jones wrote:

We have had an attack under Emery while not perfect scored 110+ goals two years ago. We have finished this league season on 55 goals, seven goals fewer than newly promoted Leeds, with a golden boot winner in his prime in the side and a winger who got 20+ goals in the league not long ago.

We scored 94 goals last season and conceded 13 fewer. It's the first time we have conceded fewer than 40 goals in the Premier League in 5 years (2015/16). And we only scored 65 goals in that season too, despite having a World Cup winning playmaker at 10, a future World Cup winner at CF, Santi Cazorla, Aaron Ramsey and Alexis Sanchez...

See, when you have a frankenstein squad littered with poor players, ill-suited to any one type of football, you're always plugging holes somewhere in the team. Robbing peter to pay paul. Just as it has been for 10 long years at Arsenal.

But let's pretend it's all Arteta and his ineptitude. Then it's really easy to solve our problems, we just get a new coach and "prime" Aubameyang and the 20-goal man Pépé will start tearing teams to pieces.

Ricky1985 wrote:

See, when you have a frankenstein squad littered with poor players, ill-suited to any one type of football, you're always plugging holes somewhere in the team. Robbing peter to pay paul. Just as it has been for 10 long years at Arsenal.

But let's pretend it's all Arteta and his ineptitude. Then it's really easy to solve our problems, we just get a new coach and "prime" Aubameyang and the 20-goal man Pépé will start tearing teams to pieces.

I think that's far more likely to happen than Arteta suddenly turning into a top manager personally.

Look, you can't blame everything on whoever came before him when the issues we encounter every weekend are of his own making. Just today Xhaka signed a new contract despite being 29 in a month and having two years left to go on his old deal. That's the new midfield signing who's going to make us great again, after playing virtually every minute (barring suspensions) of the last four years that have taken us out of Champions League and now out of Europe altogether.

Every era of a club has a player that defines it, and Xhaka defines these last 5 years of Arsenal just like Fellaini used to define the post-Ferguson years for Manchester United. Any manager who extends him when his current deal already takes him into his 30s is clearly a fucking idiot.

Everything good about this Arsenal squad was already here when Arteta arrived, and a constantly injured and underperforming Partey aside he has added nothing of value since. He has just burdened us with more of the kind of players we were desperate to get rid off: old, overpaid, no-talented footballers who have no right to play for a club at this level. It's not just incompetence: we're being managed by con artists and grifters whose only quality is that they know how to advertise themselves. We're living through the episode of The Simpsons where a bloke turns up and sells them a monorail.

Would still like this deal to happen. We need a keeper with presence and one who can be commanding on crosses

Frankenstein squad or not, he has underperformed Wenger and emery, who both got dumped, but is still in a job.

There is no decent argument for it.

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Would still like this deal to happen. We need a keeper with presence and one who can be commanding on crosses

ramsdale is trash and does not appear to be great at claiming crosses.

How many windows do people want to give Arteta before they accept that the squad is his? Almost no manager has a squad full of players they signed themselves but if its your 3rd season and you are keeping people, offering them new deals, etc then that's your squad. The excuses are getting ridiculous at this stage.