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QuincyAbeyie

Sounds familiar

Sicario

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Seems as though Conte really might just be a cheque book manager

Nah he is a top manager. He did well with an average Italy side at Euro 2016 and also turned around Juve’s fortunes and made them into a machine. Winning the league in his first season at Chelsea was commendable too. Turned around Inter too.

It’s just that he’s arrived at a club in Spurs which is on the decline and have the worst DNA/mentally any ‘top’ club has in Europe. Even Pep would struggle with Spurs.

Pepe LeFrits

Just watching the Newcastle Villa goal, how on earth does Martinez concede a free kick that is hit right down the middle? He made himself absolutely tiny.

Sicario

Pepe LeFrits wrote:
Just watching the Newcastle Villa goal, how on earth does Martinez concede a free kick that is hit right down the middle? He made himself absolutely tiny.

I read somewhere that he gets nervous in full stadiums. Don’t know how accurate this is but could explain why he was almost WC level last year.

RowJimmy

Sicario wrote:
@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Seems as though Conte really might just be a cheque book manager

Nah he is a top manager. He did well with an average Italy side at Euro 2016 and also turned around Juve’s fortunes and made them into a machine. Winning the league in his first season at Chelsea was commendable too. Turned around Inter too.

It’s just that he’s arrived at a club in Spurs which is on the decline and have the worst DNA/mentally any ‘top’ club has in Europe. Even Pep would struggle with Spurs.

Fuck Conte.
Looking forward to seeing him quit in August when Spurs haven't bought him the aging overpriced players he wants.

Ricky1985

Sicario wrote:
@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Seems as though Conte really might just be a cheque book manager

Nah he is a top manager. He did well with an average Italy side at Euro 2016 and also turned around Juve’s fortunes and made them into a machine. Winning the league in his first season at Chelsea was commendable too. Turned around Inter too.

It’s just that he’s arrived at a club in Spurs which is on the decline and have the worst DNA/mentally any ‘top’ club has in Europe. Even Pep would struggle with Spurs.

I put zero stock in interntaional football. Gareth Southgate also did well with Declan rRce and Kalvin Phillips playing CM with England, and I would be genuinely shocked if he could lead Man City into the top 4.

That said, Conte has what I'm claiming Brendan Rodgers lacks: He knows exactly the shape, style and individual characteristics of the team he wants to build. And of course he needs lots of money to build it, who doesn't? Quality players are necessary to any good team. No coach, anywhere, builds a top team without top players. I think behind every very good team is a story of great recruitment - whether expensively assembled or not - it's about knowing the qualities needed to build a high functioining team, and I think you need a great manager to do that, not just a great DoF/recruitment team.

Clrnc

Sicario wrote:
@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Seems as though Conte really might just be a cheque book manager

Winning the league in his first season at Chelsea was commendable too.

Conte is a lazy example. Chelsea a team full of winners, didn’t need much coaching or managing. They won the EL the following year with little effort. So I completely agree with Dula.

Coombs

Conte is just like any other manager. Needs to spend a fortune on his own players to get anywhere. And that's fine, because that's football.

Big Willie

Ricky1985 wrote:
Clrnc wrote:
He meant Barkley but I don't think they are similar at all. Barkley is a number 10

Oh, of course! Young Barkley was a lot like that tbf. Shot from everywhere.

That's the one, thanks Clrnc. Yeah Barkley at Everton was very similar from what I remember. Similar driving with the ball through the centre, the way they take people on and like Ricky said, the shooting from all angles.

Wtf is Goon on talking about Duff lol. I clearly said Everton haha. Duff is not similar in any way to Barnes.

Ricky1985

[Twitter]

How does Bruno Fernandes get away with lashing out like this? I suppose he's lucky that Ward-Prowse isn't a little pansy and that he himself hits like a little girl (what a little twit he is). But, still, that's violent conduct, and he should have been punished for it.

lorddulaarsenal

Cannot stand Bruno but he’s part of their problem so long may he stay

jones

Ricky1985 wrote:
Clrnc wrote:
He meant Barkley but I don't think they are similar at all. Barkley is a number 10

Oh, of course! Young Barkley was a lot like that tbf. Shot from everywhere.

Barkley is the epitome of a brainless glory hogging British player, poor kid was never told you're allowed to pass it to a team mate. Plays like a kid playing FIFA with his fucking shooting from anywhere

goon

Big Willie wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
Oh, of course! Young Barkley was a lot like that tbf. Shot from everywhere.

That's the one, thanks Clrnc. Yeah Barkley at Everton was very similar from what I remember. Similar driving with the ball through the centre, the way they take people on and like Ricky said, the shooting from all angles.

Wtf is Goon on talking about Duff lol. I clearly said Everton haha. Duff is not similar in any way to Barnes.

Duff is a hell of a lot closer to Barnes than Barkley, at least they played in the same position for a start. Don't see the similarities with Barkley at all.

Really unfair to suggest Barnes is some sort of head down shooting merchant too, he's excellent at picking out a pass or a dangerous ball at the end of his runs. Far, far better than Barkley who I didn't even rate when he was hyped up like mad.

Rakim

I'd be interested to hear what people think about Utd and Spurs and their current situations. Do you guys reckon it's a result of them having an off season or a realistic depiction of their state?

mentalvortex

Damien DUff was very good especially in his spells at Blackburn and then Chelsea.

Big Willie

Damien duff was too, top quality. Maybe not world class but not too far off it.

Shady

Duff was frightening in 04/05, Moronho's first season. When he and Robben were fit (not often for the latter), Chelsea were lethal.

Shady

Brighton are outclassing Man Utd here. Hope their typical wastefulness doesn't get punished.

Shady

Brighton give up a goal then go down to ten. Fuck sake

Sicario

Brighton top ten team max.

Anyway, think this is could work in our favour. No complacency on Sat.

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