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goon

The only thing I'd day about that is that we've not had a single person making decisions at the club. In the last 4 years we've have Gazidis, Wenger, Sven, Emery, Raul, Vinai, Edu and Arteta all with a significant input into the direction we take in the transfer market. We've suffered massively on and off the pitch from all the turmoil.

It's why we desperately need some stability rather than another new vision for how to move forward.

jones

Stability under Arteta means we're stably going down the table. I thought Chelsea proved that consistency nonsense wrong time and again.

And regardless - how is Arteta being allowed to completely revamp the squad in his image anything but the exact opposite of stability?

Qwiss

There is no stability without a vision. They aren't building towards anything. This summer is starting to really worry me.

BWooley

Chelsea have had immense stability in Granovskaia. Managers come and go of course but she seems to drive a lot of the transfer decisions at the club.

jones

She seems capable which is a lot more than you can say about almost every other CEO in the Premier League, but I don't think there's a whole lot that's changed since she took over.

goon

jones wrote:
And regardless - how is Arteta being allowed to completely revamp the squad in his image anything but the exact opposite of stability?

You're talking about stability in the squad (which is basically another word for standing still), I'm talking about stability in running the club, building a squad, recruitment strategy etc. Keeping Xhaka, Bellerin, Kolasinac, Mustafi etc. is not my idea of stability and every manager will likely come in and find a group of players that isn't for him.

Secondly, it's Edu more than Arteta I'm referring to, at least that's the way it should be. The manager/head coach should have a big input, but it should be under the framework of the Technical Director or whatever you want to call them.

Ray

Edu was around when we signed Saliba and made him one of the most expensive young defenders in the world, so it doesn't make sense on why he would now want to spend £50m on another CB who plays in the same position. Which to me suggests that it is Arteta calling the shots on transfers and Edu is just the negotiator.

If Arteta is gone in 6 months time, that's £100m+ wasted on transfers Arteta wanted, which the new manager probably won't want.

Complete lack of stability and know how in the transfer market, and it will cost us in the long run.

goon

Edu joined literally days before Saliba and it's pretty clear Sanlehi was running the show back then anyway.

Ray

goon wrote:
Edu joined literally days before Saliba and it's pretty clear Sanlehi was running the show back then anyway.

More like weeks, either way he was on board with the transfer team, probably worked on it, and at the very least knew of the long term commitment being made on it.

Clrnc

Edu issue is just guesswork. But surely by now we already know Arteta has a major hand in all transfers? He is not renamed from head coach to manager for no reason.

jones

Edu issue is just guesswork but Arteta being the one to not rate (probably the only one in Europe) and to banish Saliba is not up for debate.

jones

goon wrote:
jones wrote:
And regardless - how is Arteta being allowed to completely revamp the squad in his image anything but the exact opposite of stability?

You're talking about stability in the squad (which is basically another word for standing still), I'm talking about stability in running the club, building a squad, recruitment strategy etc. Keeping Xhaka, Bellerin, Kolasinac, Mustafi etc. is not my idea of stability and every manager will likely come in and find a group of players that isn't for him.

We offered half of those guys new contracts. Also I was mostly talking about us signing Mari Gabriel and Saliba and resigning David Luiz (then trying to do it again ffs) in the time Arteta's been here and still looking to spend 50 fucking million on another centre back. That's not stability in the squad that's idiocy in charge.

Rohit

The Saliba problem bothers me more because it feels personal rather than a footballing issue.

Clrnc

Lets see by window close. I mean the facts are already out there, it's bloody obvious and Saliba pretty much lashed out what we suspected, but by this august if won't be up for debates if Saliba isn't given a chance.

Anzac

The caveat I have with Saliba is that he's been playing at LCB at Nice whereas we currently have both Gabriel and Mari for that role, and we are looking for someone at RCB.

Claudius

He’s Im not worried yet about Saliba. He had the highest ball progression stats in Ligue 1 (metres per minute) across all players. It seems odd to me that Edu and Arteta would see this modern forward who can confortably okay any position in the back 2 or back 3 and want to dump him. Villa bidding for ESR, Marseilles bidding for Saliba - I’ll wait for the transfers to happdn

Shady

Rohit wrote:
The Saliba problem bothers me more because it feels personal rather than a footballing issue.

Or an agent issue.

speedy

Shady wrote:
Rohit wrote:
The Saliba problem bothers me more because it feels personal rather than a footballing issue.

Or an agent issue.

Aye I'd say it's the man himself we've had zero issues getting loans done. Then it comes to saliba and it's a ball ache getting him to play the French final, it's a ball ache securing a French loan. And he'd offered to championship clubs for the season 3 want him and none get over the line. And he's slagging us off on social media. He's a wonderful talent and a grade A dickhead. Every other loan in and out is no issue.

What's the chances of he does manage one good season he kicks immediately for a move.

Qwiss

speedy wrote:
Shady wrote:
Or an agent issue.

Aye I'd say it's the man himself we've had zero issues getting loans done. Then it comes to saliba and it's a ball ache getting him to play the French final, it's a ball ache securing a French loan.

Those things were entirely on the club.

goon

Saliba issue is separate to the Ben White issue for me. The former has just turned 20 so I've no real issue with him being a 3rd choice/rotational centre back for the time being. But there is just no way he shouldn't be given a chance.

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