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Has Arteta Truly Turned it Around?

Anzac

Claudius wrote:
Partey, New Mid, Ceballos, Elneny, Azeez Nuts.
I think that solves the midfield for the next few seasons.

And if Willock grows next season, then he can just come in and replace Elneny.

IMO Willock is more of a final 3rd player than being like Elneny - would AMN be more similar even if IMO he is probably more like Partey (except he lacks the passing)?

Claudius

I think AMN as an Arsenal midfielder is a psychedelic toad-induced hallucination

Qwiss

Claudius wrote:
Partey, New Mid, Ceballos, Elneny, Azeez Nuts.
I think that solves the midfield for the next few seasons.

And if Willock grows next season, then he can just come in and replace Elneny.

Watch some Newcastle games, Willock is already better than Elneny.

KingslandBarge

Happy for Tet, making such a big gamble and coming out the other side better for it. Ødegaard is an immense winter window signing just a couple weeks in, and very crucial if the likes of Saka will be sidelined for a bit.

Team has eeked out another outside chance again. They should be coming in with full belief against West Ham and Pool. Lets see what the picture looks like in a fortnight.

Sicario

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Coombs

We've got a long way to go yet, but I don't know that I'd trust anyone out there to steer us clear of these rocky shoals more than Arteta.

Bosscielny

Claudius wrote:
I think AMN as an Arsenal midfielder is a psychedelic toad-induced hallucination

Amn’s performance at OT a thousand years ago hurt his career as much as Chambo’s one against Milan. Gave these kids delusions of grandeur. They’ve both been dreaming off being Steven Gerrard ever since instead of having a bit of self awareness and committing to becoming decent outside backs.

Claudius

I’m at a point now where I have a clear understanding of Arteta ball and I’m enjoying it. The results are slowly coming as well. Very encouraging.

Rohit

Not sure Arteta ball will ever be fun and entertaining as such but with his players signed it could be very effective.

goon

Same Claud. I don't think people here appreciate just how good we've become at managing the defensive transition. People have forgotten just how bad we were at it. What's great is that as time goes on we're becoming more and more ambitious in how we manage that. If we can find a way to do that for 90 mins, while also not losing our shit and gifting the opposition a goal, we'll be golden.

speedy

Rohit wrote:
Not sure Arteta ball will ever be fun and entertaining as such but with his players signed it could be very effective.

Thats a sympton of modern football aswrll as us. Look at manU with their unlimited funds. They're shit to watch aswell. Theirs not many teams that throw caution to the wind.

speedy

goon wrote:
Same Claud. I don't think people here appreciate just how good we've become at managing the defensive transition. People have forgotten just how bad we were at it. What's great is that as time goes on we're becoming more and more ambitious in how we manage that. If we can find a way to do that for 90 mins, while also not losing our shit and gifting the opposition a goal, we'll be golden.

Yep, Its been clear as day were improving. Rather than just papering over the cracks.

Rohit

Not sure I want us to throw caution to the wind to entertain. I want us to play with more freedom and flair. Right now, the way we have been playing, we aren't shit to watch either. Just rigid in what we do. A couple of players could change that, so we'll see.

Claudius

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Bosscielny

Rohit wrote:
Not sure Arteta ball will ever be fun and entertaining as such but with his players signed it could be very effective.

You watch much football? I don’t catch every prem game, but i see enough of them to know that there aren’t many teams playing decent stuff. Same turgid kick and run bullshit that’s sweeping the league.

Leeds, City and occasionally Villa are the only ones playing anything resembling entertaining football.

Rohit

Bosscielny wrote:
Rohit wrote:
Not sure Arteta ball will ever be fun and entertaining as such but with his players signed it could be very effective.

You watch much football? I don’t catch every prem game, but i see enough of them to know that there aren’t many teams playing decent stuff. Same turgid kick and run bullshit that’s sweeping the league.

Leeds, City and occasionally Villa are the only ones playing anything resembling entertaining football.

I don't watch as much as I used to and when I do, I don't get an impression any different than you. Wenger's idea of football did spoil most of us. I just loved some of the movement and quick interchanges most of his teams showed. Not that I yearn for it. I would love for us to return to winning ways even if we compromise on entertainment. There big positioning space between Wenger's and Mourinho's football where we can sit.

banduan

if you go back and watch those years of Wengerball, you can get some sense of why it's so hard to replicate now. For one thing, no matter how we romanticise the old back 4s, defenders nowadays are just so much better. Teams also organise themselves so much better for counterattacks.

flobaba

Why can’t we comfortably see out the last 15 minutes of a game in a situation where we are a man up, and a goal up, at home?

Anzac

speedy wrote:
goon wrote:
Same Claud. I don't think people here appreciate just how good we've become at managing the defensive transition. People have forgotten just how bad we were at it. What's great is that as time goes on we're becoming more and more ambitious in how we manage that. If we can find a way to do that for 90 mins, while also not losing our shit and gifting the opposition a goal, we'll be golden.

Yep, Its been clear as day were improving. Rather than just papering over the cracks.

Was a comment made at the start of the 2nd half that no team has conceded fewer 2nd half goals than us this season.

Gazza M

banduan wrote:
if you go back and watch those years of Wengerball, you can get some sense of why it's so hard to replicate now. For one thing, no matter how we romanticise the old back 4s, defenders nowadays are just so much better. Teams also organise themselves so much better for counterattacks.

I'm not convinced by that. that peak Wenger team was very advanced for its time. I think it would still mash every team in the league today bar city. with the amount of protection attackers have today, guys like Pires would have even more of a field day

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