Who would you get to replace Arteta?

Sicario

Here are the options (realistic ones). Will list 3 pros and 3 cons against them all.

Poch

Pros:

Has proven premiership experience, took a struggling Spurs side to the brink of the title and CL
Could have a point to prove against his former employers
Immediately available

Cons:

I know he’s managed in England for a while but his English is still weak, he was a guest on Monday Night Football a few weeks ago and he didn’t half waffle. I worry another Emery situation.
One of the main reason why he eventually got the sack at Spurs is because he wasn’t backed by the board. Will the same happen here?
The obvious one - no trophies against his name. This is a big red flag for me. Is he a bottler?

Allegri:

Pros:

His CV speaks for itself, won big at the two biggest clubs in Europe in Juve and Milan. Took Juve to two CL finals. Tactically he’s very strong.
Is a big name and has managed big personalities, will have the respect of the dressing room
Available immediately

Cons:

Has no experience outside of Italy
Does not speak English as far as I know - another Emery situation potentially
Been out of the game for over 2.5 years. Wenger was still managing when Allegri last managed. Has he lost his touch, hunger. Football changes quickly, has he been left behind?

Rodgers:

Pros:

Proven Premiership experience with two different teams. Arguably overachieving with Leicester
Managed huge clubs and has won trophies. Will have respect of dressing room.
Tactically bright and attack minded coach, our games would be fun again

Cons:

Likelihood of him joining? Will be very hard to get him in half way through the season. Would be joining us a step down? Leicester are going places and he is under little pressure. Tough to seem him joining our toxic circus.
He loves himself a bit too much, cringe personality
Bottled the title with Liverpool. Bottled CL with Leicester after they were in an amazing position to achieve it this time last season.

Favre:

Pros:

Plays great attacking football
Has managed across a number of different leagues so wouldn’t take time to settle in the Prem
Speaks good English/immediately available

Cons:

-Has only one trophy to his name whilst managing a club in the major leagues
-He’s 63 - too old for the rigours of managing Arsenal with all the problems and noise we have? At 63 is he a dinosaur? We don’t want another latter years Arsene Wenger ffs
-Would prob make Xhaka captain given their Swiss alliance

Nagelsmann:

Hottest young coach in Europe
Innovative, his teams play good modern football
Took a modest side to the CL semi finals last season

Cons:

What has he won?
At 33 would he be too young to manage a club like Arsenal?
Why would he leave current club?

Tuchel

Pros:

Good English, has experience of dealing with big personality players eg Neymar
Has won trophies and is an elite level tactician imo. Reads the game perfectly and adjusts. Invents surprises not only before, but also during games. Perfect age profile too.
Achieved PSG’s best ever CL result last season. Has worked with Klopp.

Cons:

Poor start to French league campaign this season. Was on the verge of getting sacked.
Bit of a drama queen. He ended both his stints at Maine and Dortmund leading lots of dirty laundry behind
Seems a bit of a narcissistic cunt

Who would be your pick out of these? Any other contenders (Arsene Wenger as an option is a NO)

lorddulaarsenal

Rafa

QuincyAbeyie

I hate that I'd like Rodgers to take the job.

Sicario

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Rafa

Good shout but would he just not be an older Arteta?

Style of football sucks big time.

Also would be bit of a boring/dull appointment. Hardly one to get the fans going.

Claudius

I put other Rangnick. There’s a lot that we need to get right here at the club. He is probably best positioned to help us solve our dual coaching and technical challenges. It’s no good being a great coach if the system keeps feeding you Luiz and Willian indefinitely.

mdgoonah41

id bring freddie back as caretaker.

then id sack edu. and look to replace him with someone who knows what they are doing and has experience at the top level. and id let that guy pick the next manager.

Asterix

I read somewhere - HITC I think so a bit dodgy - that van der Sar wants out of Ajax. He'd be a decent DoF.

ANd I have no idea about picking a manager. None on that list inspire me much. I was a bit keen on Rodgers before he went to Leicester but his cringeworthiness puts me off.

Rangnick could be a decent shout. Hassenhuttl perhaps? Dunno.

Klaus

I just feel that if Arteta goes then Edu needs to go too. He shouldn't be allowed to pick the future of the club when he's done such a lousy fucking job, and besides we would probably just end up with someone who Joorabchian has influence over.

mdgoonah41

who is the director of football at rb leipzig? they seem to be quite good at evaluating and developing young talent, and they hired a great manager. bring that guy here and tell him to fix arsenal

Klaus

Gotta think that someone like Wenger, an old experienced fox who wouldn't need to rely on a sporting director initially, is the only way to go if we sack both Edu and Arteta.

Manuel Pellegrini wouldn't be the worst choice around for the short term, although I doubt he can or would want to leave Betis mid-season. I'd take Favre too.

QuincyAbeyie

Klaus wrote:
I just feel that if Arteta goes then Edu needs to go too. He shouldn't be allowed to pick the future of the club when he's done such a lousy fucking job, and besides we would probably just end up with someone who Joorabchian has influence over.

Definitely. We had a good plan initially when we brought in Mislintat and tried to get Monchi, but it's all fallen apart. We only accepted Edu because he's played for us.

Claudius

mdgoonah41 wrote:
who is the director of football at rb leipzig? they seem to be quite good at evaluating and developing young talent, and they hired a great manager. bring that guy here and tell him to fix arsenal

Rangnick, the guy I mentioned, is the guy who set up all the structures across the Red Bull group. He has since moved on. He would be ideal to do the same here. He would ideally want control over the football operations. That’s why I suggested he come in and train Edu. I don’t think we need to purge both Arteta and Edu. Might as well keep Edu and let him learn from one of the most experienced visionaries

Klaus

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Klaus wrote:
I just feel that if Arteta goes then Edu needs to go too. He shouldn't be allowed to pick the future of the club when he's done such a lousy fucking job, and besides we would probably just end up with someone who Joorabchian has influence over.

Definitely. We had a good plan initially when we brought in Mislintat and tried to get Monchi, but it's all fallen apart. We only accepted Edu because he's played for us.

I think so too. Raul was the mistake, not Sven, and then it got exacerbated when Gazidis left and Raul made his power move. Edu seems like an extension of the Raul line of bad executive appointments.

mdgoonah41

does that ever work though? giving a guy a ton of authority, then bringing in someone else in and taking away some of the guy's power, and then he eventually gets it back? seems like that never happens. edu isnt going to want to relinquish control now

QuincyAbeyie

Don't really see what's the advantage of keeping Edu to let him learn from Ragnigck rather than getting someone else in.

QuincyAbeyie

Klaus wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Definitely. We had a good plan initially when we brought in Mislintat and tried to get Monchi, but it's all fallen apart. We only accepted Edu because he's played for us.

I think so too. Raul was the mistake, not Sven, and then it got exacerbated when Gazidis left and Raul made his power move. Edu seems like an extension of the Raul line of bad executive appointments.

In hindsight it's easy to see why Sven left instead of working with Raul. People more involved in football than us probably knew exactly what kind of guy he is.

Claudius

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Don't really see what's the advantage of keeping Edu to let him learn from Ragnigck rather than getting someone else in.

Why do you need someone else? Rangnick knows how to both coach and DOF. Why not let him coach and mentor Edu on the DOF side of things? Why have so much upheaval? Rangnick is also 62. He would probably only want a 3 or 4 year job, so keeping Edu to learn under him would allow you to have continuity.

I don’t know a ton about Edu. I just see a lot of assumptions made about him due to Kia and very little else. I think he has been given a negative rating unfairly by Arsenal fans on the basis of very little.

goon

This whole thing just makes me so sad. I was excited to see what would happen when Wenger left, I was excited to see what would happen with Emery left. Now it just feels like we’re fucked.

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goon wrote:
This whole thing just makes me so sad. I was excited to see what would happen when Wenger left, I was excited to see what would happen with Emery left. Now it just feels like we’re fucked.

I'm extremely despondent. The club feels utterly hopeless.