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Issa Partey (Might be 'unavailable' for next season)

Gurgen

Klaus wrote:
JazzG wrote:
Sounds like Arsenal are still backing him, surely they will have looked into these claims and must be confident the charges will be dropped. Or maybe until charges are bought on him the club legally can't suspend him?

The club can suspend or drop him for whatever reason they make up and see fit. This isn't about legal sentencing, it's about morals. Every club gets to choose which values they stand up for. We do it all the time. We draw these silly little lines in the sand that dictate which kind of behaviour is acceptable to us, but when it really comes down to it we won't lift a fucking finger if it might cause economic damage.

We absolutely don't have to be the kind of club that suspends our captain, a bloke who had done more for the club than anyone else on our payroll, simply for arriving on a different time than agreed on to England after visiting his sick mum, while we continue to play and back a rapist just because he got off on a technicality.

We don't have to be the kind of club that sacks 50 people during a pandemic while our owners wealth increase at a higher rate than ever before.

We don't have to be the kind of club that tries to break away from English football by being a driving force behind a European super league.

We don't have to be the kind of club that claims to support human rights but refuses to back Özil when he criticises China's treatment of the Uyghurs, or Elneny when he stands up for the Palestinians. Anything more than a token bent knee before the match whistle and we put out statements to make sure everyone knows that the players views don't align with the club's values.

We don't have to be a lot of things that we currently are. But we choose to be them, and in this case it makes it downright impossible to keep supporting Arsenal at the moment.

Spot on. I feel truly ashamed of being an Arsenal supporter at the moment.

Rohit

This whole episode is extremely disappointing. I will personally find it difficult to get behind Partey. The online disclosures are highly incriminating. I appreciate that some may want to express restraint and reserve judgment but if Partey was a Spurs/ Chelsea/ United player, I am sure everyone here would be opining that the least he should be given is a suspension other than some calling him names.

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
We absolutely don't have to be the kind of club that suspends our captain, a bloke who had done more for the club than anyone else on our payroll, simply for arriving on a different time than agreed on to England after visiting his sick mum, while we continue to play and back a rapist just because he got off on a technicality.

A couple of points:
1 - Race / colour is irrelevant;
2 - at this point it is only alleged and the only person talking is the person making the allegations;
3 - what is this technicality people are referring to?

Klaus

Anzac wrote:
Klaus wrote:
We absolutely don't have to be the kind of club that suspends our captain, a bloke who had done more for the club than anyone else on our payroll, simply for arriving on a different time than agreed on to England after visiting his sick mum, while we continue to play and back a rapist just because he got off on a technicality.

A couple of points:
1 - Race / colour is irrelevant

I think you read that word wrong, Anzac.

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
Anzac wrote:
A couple of points:
1 - Race / colour is irrelevant

I think you read that word wrong, Anzac.

My bad so I did = apologies.
Looks better/clearer after I clean my reading glasses.

Clrnc

Gurgen wrote:
All this also begs the question whether we actually do any background checks before signing players. From reading about his lifestyle and the way he treats women in general, I gather he is a bit of a sociopath and wouldn’t be out of place in the Netflix documentary on Hunter Moore. Surely we could have known this and thought, maybe it’s not a good idea to spend 50m and pay someone hundreds of thousands of pounds a week when there is a significant chance that person may do something incredibly stupid at any moment?

I agree with everything you said except this. Abit of a stretch to blame the club especially as firstly its not easy to find some true nature in personal time, you do your own due diligence in footballing and mental aspects but the rest is not clear cut. Secondly he might have only developed this after his huge pay increase at Arsenal, he was paid peanuts at Atleti and there was absolutely no signs he was like this there.

The rest of your posts though is spot on. Thanks you and Klaus for that viewpoint. We have to do the right thing.

lorddulaarsenal

Horrible situation.

Ricky1985

I'm going to have read through all the messages because I feel I might be misunderstanding exactly what Partey is being accused of.

I won't change my mind on the club's actions though, and I absolutely believe Partey should be treated as innocent until proven otherwise.

invisibleman18

Gurgen wrote:
All this also begs the question whether we actually do any background checks before signing players.

Given we don't seem to be able to run a proper medical check if players like Tierney and Tomiyasu (and perhaps Partey himself) pass them, it's certainly believable we may not run competent background checks either.

Clrnc

invisibleman18 wrote:
Gurgen wrote:
All this also begs the question whether we actually do any background checks before signing players.

Given we don't seem to be able to run a proper medical check if players like Tierney and Tomiyasu (and perhaps Partey himself) pass them, it's certainly believable we may not run competent background checks either.

Tomi isn't injury prone before coming here. Same was Partey too, barely missed any match for Atleti.

Tierney is a calculated gamble because he is young. He isn't the fittest but he wasn't as terribly prone as now either.

Irishgunner

Having read through it now I think it's pretty clear that he's guilty. Unfortunately given how difficult the court system is I reckon there is a good chance he's never found guilty of anything though, but I sincerely hope he never plays for Arsenal again.

In the event he is convicted I hope we sue him à la Chelsea vs Mutu

ohboy

Very sticky wicket to suggest the club should suspend the player.

Innocent until proven guilty.

As for the rest of the clubs actions over the years, I do think the club needs to reset it values after a shocking drop in recent years. Very hard to see what we stand for in recent years.

Shady

Well, he's starting in the Emirates Cup game. Will be interesting to see the reception he gets, and if there is anything noticeable in his performance. The club have seemingly been very deliberate in not showcasing him on social media.

flobaba

ohboy!!! wrote:
Very sticky wicket to suggest the club should suspend the player.

Innocent until proven guilty.

As for the rest of the clubs actions over the years, I do think the club needs to reset it values after a shocking drop in recent years. Very hard to see what we stand for in recent years.

We are owned by Americans. Walmart owners. You know what we stand for.

Gurgen

ohboy!!! wrote:
Very sticky wicket to suggest the club should suspend the player.

Innocent until proven guilty.

As for the rest of the clubs actions over the years, I do think the club needs to reset it values after a shocking drop in recent years. Very hard to see what we stand for in recent years.

Innocent until proven guilty is an instruction to a judge or jury. It has no relevance outside the courtroom. Outside the courtroom every person and organisation is free to decide whether and to what extent they consider someone to be innocent or guilty.

Shady

Looking at the goal celebrations today, the team are still with Partey. Lots of little pats on the head and hugs.

lorddulaarsenal

What reaction did he draw from the fans?

Ricky1985

Nothing was noticeably different.

Gurgen

I find it incredible that we keep playing him. Quite done with Arsenal to be honest, I can’t see myself cheering for a team with this guy in it. Perhaps I’m overly emotional on this issue as people close to me have been a victim of rape, but this has really cut the cord with this club for me. Rape may not be one of Arteta’s “non-negotiables”, but it’s certainly one of mine.

Meatwad

good on arsenal. can't be joining the twitter mob based on accusations. he denied it and they're backing their player over the words of call girls. if he did it they'll prove it and he'll pay the price. until then he needs to deliver on the pitch.

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