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Denilson - I Hear Tony Adams Needs a CM

lorddulaarsenal

Yes Zanetti - was crucial for Inter last season. Can play fullback on either side, and can slot in the midfield

Timbob

BW; I would buy another wide forward/winger thus freeing up Nasri to play in the hole whenever Cesc was out. So my equivelant midfield to yesterday for next season would be;

--------------- Wilshere-Ramsey-----------
-----------------------Nasri------------------

Hazard (e.g)------------------------Arshavin

------------------------RVP--------------------

That's allowing for injuries to Cesc, Song, Diaby and Walcott. More balanced and better looking team than yesterday's imo.

lorddulaarsenal

Yes Tim, yeeesss!!!!!!

Captain

Nasri is rubbish in the hole.

Timbob

No he's not. That's a myth imo.

Captain

He's been awful everytime he has played there. Very unconvincing.

Armor

Zanetti is a bit more than your average utility player but i take your point dula.

Agree with what tim has suggested, infact i'd rather we just move Nasri to midfield right now and go with Bendtner on the right.

Captain

Just play Ramsey until Cesc comes back. No need to weaken two positions instead of one.

Timbob

Skip, a lot of people thought Nasri was rubbish out wide until this season. He's had good games and bad games in the hole for us, but he's a completely different animal now. If he played more games there he'd prove to be very good at it imo.

Burnwinter

Tim, I've thought the same thing because I think Nasri himself would like to play centrally and be more influential.

I think he has what it takes to play there, although he would need a while to bed himself into the role. When he moves central now his decision-making percentages seem skewed to carrying the ball.

The first problem I see with it is that I don't think Nasri would take well to being chopped and changed between the wide forward positions and the hole. In my opinion he's already somewhat adversely affected by being asked to play both left and right on a fairly regular basis.

Second is that it still only addresses our lack of a strong spare for Song's role by relying on Ramsey, Wilshere and Lansbury. I just don't trust that.

est

He hasn't played there too many times though. Almost every time Arsene has moved Nasri to midfield, he has played a deeper role with Fabregas in the hole/another striker up front in a 4-4-2.

It seems a little strange, as Nasri in the hole and Fabregas pulling the strings from deep would make much more sense to me.

Burnwinter

Oh and Diaby and Denilson of course, since they will still be around and will be the ones actually called upon in Song's absence.

In fact the strongest argument in favour of a decent defensive midfield signing is that it wouldn't matter whether or not Wenger could bring himself to admit D & D haven't worked out and let them go up front.

Captain

Tim wrote:
Skip, a lot of people thought Nasri was rubbish out wide until this season. He's had good games and bad games in the hole for us, but he's a completely different animal now. If he played more games there he'd prove to be very good at it imo.

He is rubbish out wide when he plays that playmaker role.

Bloke was in the form of his life penetrating with off the ball runs and maintaining possession in a defensive way. He hasn't convinced when given responsibility to create the attack in his whole time here in my opinion.

Ricky1985

Something I've been thinking for a little while; we should go to a flatter three in midfield, where there is no playmaker in the hole and attacking/defending responsibilities are spread evenly across the three players, or the player positioned central of the three has the responsibility to sit when the other two attack. Then consider Fabregas, Wilshere, Ramsey, Song, Nasri, and Lansbury as the primary options in there, with Nasri also an option out wide. Then get in someone to come in a make a difference out wide, so that moving Nasri in field whenever it suits us is not a problem.

Captain

We need a wide forward (not a winger or attacking central midfielder) and a central midfielder of quality.

I know all of these options and suggestions are valid but you are all falling into the same trap as Wenger. We need to expand the quality in the squad, not come up with solutions that involve moving people around. If Nasri is going to play wide, he needs to stay wide and have competition there. He needs to know his position and work regularly on maximising his ability there and the understanding of his role within this team.

Same if he is going to play centrally and it needs to apply to all of the positions and the players barring one or two utility players (not first teamers).

Ricky1985

Iniesta hasn't made a bad career out of covering the same two positions, but I agree, in a perfect world what you suggest is exactly what should happen.

Captain

He is, however, a considerbly worse player when he is wide and Barca are significantly worse as a team when it happens too.

lorddulaarsenal

Nasri should play centrally in my opinion.

Wide forwards such as hazard, marin, neymar, robben, valbeuna, sanchez and even Ashley young would be great additions to the squad.

Armor - the utility man doesn't need to be someone who sits on the bench when everyone's fit.

Ricky1985

Valbuena I wouldn't even consider because his pace is average. I want Hazard, someone like that, someone explosive, and a constant threat at goal every time they get the ball.

Klaus

Ricky1985 wrote:
Iniesta hasn't made a bad career out of covering the same two positions, but I agree, in a perfect world what you suggest is exactly what should happen.

Iniesta isn't really an attacking mid though. He's playing pretty deep at Barca where he can make good use of his workrate, his ball control and his astonishing ability to dribble himself out of tight spaces. Xavi is the one with the range and the vision. Iniesta is the engine, the glue that keeps it all together. A modern day Redondo.

I think Nasri could do that too for what it's worth, but I don't think he can replace Cesc adequately. He's an interesting backup option to Song though, especially when we're trying to keep the team short and defend against a high-pressing opponent. I was very impressed with the way he handled himself in the first leg against Barca.

I'd like to see a midfield that looks like this at some point when Cesc and Song are out:

-----Ramsey-----
Wilshere - Nasri

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