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Denilson - I Hear Tony Adams Needs a CM

asajoseph

Fergie's taken some crap players in his time.

Thing is, he doesn't normally make the same mistakes Wenger does with them.

Timbob

Denilson has 3-4 years left on his contract and I bet he's paid pretty well here. I think he might be quite hard to move on. Hopefully, deep, deep down, he has some professional pride about him and isn't willing to sit on the bench for the next couple of years picking up his wages.

asajoseph

I'm pretty sure the simple fact that he's played so many games for us should be enough to get him a move somewhere else. I can see someone in Portugal maybe taking a punt on him.

Nobody in this league would be stupid enough.

lorddulaarsenal

There was talk that a swap deal for Melo may happen this summer. Whether Melo is the right player we need to bring in is a another discussion, but shipping Denilson out is absolutely the right thing to do.

Captain

We can sell him for around £6m to a Spanish team easily. Even Cygan went for £3m.

Selling Denilson is not the answer though.

Timbob

Not the answer to what? Selling denilson will solve the 'Denilson problem'.

lorddulaarsenal

there is no single "answer" to solving our problems, unless we sign Ronaldo.

Selling Denilson is most definitely part of the answer though, as all he does is dilute the quality within the squad. There are numerous players better equiped to fill that squad role.

Capi, you're in your classic, go against general opinion for going against general opinion's sake. Read the back of your eye lids for an hour, make yourself a cup of Horlicks, or run a radox or summing 😉

asajoseph

Getting rid of Denilson would be the very definition of addition by subtraction. He's an appalling player.

Captain

Selling your 6th-7th choice midfielder is like spitting on a tissue and trying to clean your car with it.

There's no 'going against general opinion'; that is obvious. Like I said earlier in the season, these guys just drop down the ranks until they fade into oblivion and aren't even worth worrying about.

Timbob

Well the sooner he fades in to fucking oblivion the better. Lets make it happen this summer.

asajoseph

IT's all very well saying he's 6th-7th choice, but he plays 30 times a season at least, and is almost always extremely damaging to the team. Wenger considers him an 'option', and needs to start thinking otherwise.

lorddulaarsenal

trouble is, we seem to be re-using that spat on bit of tissue every other week to clean our car.

asajoseph

Since November, he's started against Premiership opposition 6 times, and only won once.

lorddulaarsenal

then there's leeds, huddersfield and the mighty o's to consider asa

Captain

He's made six premiership starts all season. Diaby and Ramsey are both ahead of him and have been adsent for a long stretch otherwise he wouldn't have even made that many.

If he had been sold in January, for instance, Rosicky would have started yesterday or maybe even Eboue. Big whoop.

You strengthen the squad by signing better players, not selling weaker ones.

lorddulaarsenal

i think had denilson not been available, nasri would have started central with bendtner playing wide - would have been far better, but big woop anyway

Timbob

Just get rid of him. We could make a bit of cash and he's probably earning a decent wage, too. Give his spot to Lansbury and see how he goes.

y va marquer

The problem with having a Denilson or an Almunia in your squad is that even though they may be way down the pecking order in theory, the reality is that you can end up playing them in key positions at crucial times of the season.

As squad players you would not expect them to be of the quality of the players that they replace but you would expect that they would be at the very least competent, strong, solid, reliable and hardworking professionals
Could you really say that Denilson is any of those things?

Burnwinter

Two or three years in a row now, both Song and Fabregas pick up stress injuries in the second half of the season due to being overplayed.

Next year, Wilshere quite likely will as well. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he did next week.

We need at least one new option who will not cost us points in at least 75% of "important" matches so that Wenger can confidently rotate all of Song, Fabregas and Wilshere against almost any opposition. A player that genuinely contends for a place will keep all three of them in better shape physically and mentally.

Unfortunately I don't think squad options like Lansbury would really help out more than Denilson and Diaby. Just like them he will only really be used in the first team after injuries bite or in irrelevant matches.

Captain

y va marquer wrote:
The problem with having a Denilson or an Almunia in your squad is that even though they may be way down the pecking order in theory, the reality is that you can end up playing them in key positions at crucial times of the season.

As squad players you would not expect them to be of the quality of the players that they replace but you would expect that they would be at the very least competent, strong, solid, reliable and hardworking professionals
Could you really say that Denilson is any of those things?

If we went out and bought Mascherano, would it have a more positive influence on the squad than selling Denilson?

The type of player you have desscribed generally doesn't fill a bench spot these days because they can get first team football and the same wage at another club. Look at any squad in the league and that is very apparent.

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