goon wrote:

Sounds like AMN is definitely on his way out, it's just a question of where:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53880967

However you feel about AMN, that £20m can go a long way towards a proper signing.

If it helps us get Aouar or Partey, then its the greatest service the boy could’ve given his club. But we have to push for more. And not to Spurs 

The question is what RB is available for 20m or less that's as good as AMN. Or are you comfortable with Bellerin and Cedric as the options? Personally I think that if we'd want a RB of the same ability that's young and homegrown we'd need to pay quite a bit more. He seems to have changed his attitude and I'm confident that his value would increase if he's playing regularly this coming season.

I would rather move Cedric on. And 20 million is too low.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

The question is what RB is available for 20m or less that's as good as AMN. Or are you comfortable with Bellerin and Cedric as the options? Personally I think that if we'd want a RB of the same ability that's young and homegrown we'd need to pay quite a bit more. He seems to have changed his attitude and I'm confident that his value would increase if he's playing regularly this coming season.

I think the team messed up the right back recruiting by making the Cedric decision early. We cannot keep a deep squad at the expense of having a weak first 11. We need to get a magnificent first 11. So if AMN can secure Aouar or Partey, then brilliant. But bad management. It should be AMN/Bellerin or AMN/Cedric at worst. 

We really have some idiots in Arsenal if true. Letting our best RB leave for peanuts while keeping 1 who's not at his best after injury and one is who relegation standard at best.

Fullbacks is critical to the way we play.

Claudius wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:

The question is what RB is available for 20m or less that's as good as AMN. Or are you comfortable with Bellerin and Cedric as the options? Personally I think that if we'd want a RB of the same ability that's young and homegrown we'd need to pay quite a bit more. He seems to have changed his attitude and I'm confident that his value would increase if he's playing regularly this coming season.

I think the team messed up the right back recruiting by making the Cedric decision early. We cannot keep a deep squad at the expense of having a weak first 11. We need to get a magnificent first 11. So if AMN can secure Aouar or Partey, then brilliant. But bad management. It should be AMN/Bellerin or AMN/Cedric at worst. 

I agree that we can't keep a deep squad at the expense of a magnificent first 11, but the way I see it selling AMN weakens our first 11 so we should be looking to sell Bellerin. Cedric is probably unsellable. 

GooneriC wrote:

I would rather move Cedric on.

No one is going to take him off our hands I'm afraid. Southampton had no other interested parties and just wanted Soares off their wage bill when we came in. Apparently they were shocked behind the scenes when we launched the bid.

We'll have to pay him to sit on the bench or in the stands for the next four years now. Raul's reign of terror keeps fucking us over after he's gone.

Either way, selling Maitland-Niles is bullshit, just like signing Willian is bullshit. Both black marks on our transfer business this summer. Going to need way more than Gabriel to make up for this.

Klaus wrote:

Either way, selling Maitland-Niles is bullshit, just like signing Willian is bullshit. Both black marks on our transfer business this summer. Going to need way more than Gabriel to make up for this.

Hahahaha.
Look, you have to hope that handing over the reins to Edu/Arteta will result in more coherence going forward. If we can keep the two of them for 3 years, god-willing, with no turmoil around them then maybe we can plan with some sense. This team built by Wenger, Mislintant, Sanllehi and some Stat-DNA guys all pulling in different directions has been a royal waste of time and money. It makes you wonder how Stan got so wealthy

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

The question is what RB is available for 20m or less that's as good as AMN. Or are you comfortable with Bellerin and Cedric as the options? Personally I think that if we'd want a RB of the same ability that's young and homegrown we'd need to pay quite a bit more. He seems to have changed his attitude and I'm confident that his value would increase if he's playing regularly this coming season.

Bellerin/Cedric is fine. It's not amazing and I don't really get the Cedric signing at all, but it'll do for now. We can sort it next summer if need be.

We can talk about which of the three we'd rather sell, and AMN is bottom of the list for me too, but only one of them is going to attract any sort of interest at the fees we're talking about.

goon wrote:

We can talk about which of the three we'd rather sell, and AMN is bottom of the list for me too, but only one of them is going to attract any sort of interest at the fees we're talking about.

You don't think we'd be able to flip Bellerin for £20 million or more?

I think he would attract that sort of fee but personally I can't see any of the top sides coming in for him and I don't think he's going to be all that keen on a step down right now either.

Aye, fair point. I don't think he'd accept going to a club like (just to pull one out of the blue) Everton either, even if they came in with a big bid for him.

The reality is if AMN goes it because he wants out. And if he wants out its probably because he is in a snot about being told to come to training on time. At the end of the day he's not good enough for that sort of shit.

If he wants to go I'm all for selling him, I just hope he isn't pushed out.

goon wrote:

Sounds like AMN is definitely on his way out, it's just a question of where

Yup seen that mentioned by someone fairly reliable on Twitter. If true a shame but no room for sentiment, sell him to the highest bidder.

Good. Finally some movement from an outgoings perspective. A couple sales and we should be in a good spot to lock Partey down.

We should see things speed up soon, season just 3 weeks away here, Ligue 1 has already started etc.

Wonder how much we can get for Holding. £10m would be decent.

Guendouzi is the one for PSG, staring them in the face. Desperately need that connective thread and ball progression up to middle, final 30 yards of the pitch. Press resistant, versatile passing range. Hopefully we can get a bidding war started between Lyon and PSG for him. Maybe someone like Partey too but hope they don't encroach there obviously.

AMN has about 5-10 good matches and our OMITT scouting team valuing him at 30m.

He's started 20 odd league games in his entire career here.

Good thing the scouting team wasn't considered for selling forum favourite Iwobi.

Getting rid off players while stock is high and getting high potential talent is the right way.

IF AMN has a bad season and barely plays next season his stock will plummet to 4-5m.

That was the Wenger way of selling.

If we had today's management in charge a Joel Campbell would have been sold when his stock was high after that Olympiakos loan and scoring against Utd in the cl. Got him back barely played him and sold him for peanuts.

HomeSteak wrote:

Bloke's fairly highly rated, isn't he?

I suppose we're stacked on young forwards though, with Saka, Eddie, Nelson and Martinelli already in the first team and John-Jules and Balogun still waiting for their opportunities.

Would be a shame to lose Greenwood and Balogun in the same window. Hope we have good clauses on these guys.

Gunner89 wrote:

AMN has about 5-10 good matches and our OMITT scouting team valuing him at 30m.

He's started 20 odd league games in his entire career here.

Good thing the scouting team wasn't considered for selling forum favourite Iwobi.

Getting rid off players while stock is high and getting high potential talent is the right way.

IF AMN has a bad season and barely plays next season his stock will plummet to 4-5m.

That was the Wenger way of selling.

If we had today's management in charge a Joel Campbell would have been sold when his stock was high after that Olympiakos loan and scoring against Utd in the cl. Got him back barely played him and sold him for peanuts.

While I agree generally with the point your making, what if AMN turns into a super depending utility player? Every squad needs a guy who you can play in a variety of positions and he can still give you 6/7 out of 10 performances.

Left back, LWB, RB, RWB, and DM are all positions he can play. That and growing up in the club to me is a valuable player to keep.

Of course there is the bigger picture, and if selling AMN for £20-30 mil enables us to land Aouar, then you do it begrudgingly.

Gunner89 wrote:

IF AMN has a bad season and barely plays next season his stock will plummet to 4-5m.

Seems unlikely though. I couldn't see his price dropping that low in the next 12 months unless he gets jailed or loses a leg or something.

Qwiss! wrote:
Gunner89 wrote:

IF AMN has a bad season and barely plays next season his stock will plummet to 4-5m.

Seems unlikely though. I couldn't see his price dropping that low in the next 12 months unless he gets jailed or loses a leg or something.

😆

Qwiss! wrote:
Gunner89 wrote:

IF AMN has a bad season and barely plays next season his stock will plummet to 4-5m.

Seems unlikely though. I couldn't see his price dropping that low in the next 12 months unless he gets jailed or loses a leg or something.

Yeah that's an exaggeration tbf but probably 10-12m as opposed to 20m.

ohboy!!! wrote:
Gunner89 wrote:

AMN has about 5-10 good matches and our OMITT scouting team valuing him at 30m.

He's started 20 odd league games in his entire career here.

Good thing the scouting team wasn't considered for selling forum favourite Iwobi.

Getting rid off players while stock is high and getting high potential talent is the right way.

IF AMN has a bad season and barely plays next season his stock will plummet to 4-5m.

That was the Wenger way of selling.

If we had today's management in charge a Joel Campbell would have been sold when his stock was high after that Olympiakos loan and scoring against Utd in the cl. Got him back barely played him and sold him for peanuts.

While I agree generally with the point your making, what if AMN turns into a super depending utility player? Every squad needs a guy who you can play in a variety of positions and he can still give you 6/7 out of 10 performances.

Left back, LWB, RB, RWB, and DM are all positions he can play. That and growing up in the club to me is a valuable player to keep.

Of course there is the bigger picture, and if selling AMN for £20-30 mil enables us to land Aouar, then you do it begrudgingly.

Ya the last line is the gist of it.

I like AMN but we have a finance crunch.

If we can get 2-3 real good players off the sales from Guenzouiz, Kola, Torreira etc.

Good thing there’s a massive scramble for Guendouzi, Lacazette and Mustafi

I don't think we'll have much trouble finding buyers for Douzi, Laca and Torreira.

Qwiss! wrote:

I don't think we'll have much trouble finding buyers for Douzi, Laca and Torreira.

Agreed.

All about negotiating good deals.

30-40m for Guendouzi

40m for Laca

25m+ for Lucas

Gunner89 wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:

I don't think we'll have much trouble finding buyers for Douzi, Laca and Torreira.

Agreed.

All about negotiating good deals.

30-40m for Guendouzi

40m for Laca

25m+ for Lucas

Let’s check back in a month

Think that’s very optimistic in this climate.

Schalke was Kola on loan. Did fear with his wages the best we could hope for is a loan or a subsidised sale.

Wonder what this would mean for the full back positions though. Cedric to cover both sides with Saka used if need be? Someone from the youth team promoted?

goon wrote:

Think that’s very optimistic in this climate.

Schalke was Kola on loan. Did fear with his wages the best we could hope for is a loan or a subsidised sale.

Wonder what this would mean for the full back positions though. Cedric to cover both sides with Saka used if need be? Someone from the youth team promoted?

Don't think its overly optimistic. Douzi is easily worth £10m more than AMN, he's young but with way more experience and is a full international for France.

Laca I'm not sure about £40 now, maybe £30. Torreira should be easily £25m.

Should we be loaning Kola without a new left back coming in?

I think Douzi goes for the lower end of that figure if that, there’s no way he’s worth as much as someone like Aouar. Torreira is older and his stock has fallen since we signed him and it sounds like only broke clubs are interested. I say we’d be lucky to get 20m.

But we will see.

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Shalke reportedly looking to take Kolasinac back

If AMN leaves and Kola who will be back up LB? Saka?

goon wrote:

I think Douzi goes for the lower end of that figure if that, there’s no way he’s worth as much as someone like Aouar. Torreira is older and his stock has fallen since we signed him and it sounds like only broke clubs are interested. I say we’d be lucky to get 20m.

But we will see.

I don't think we're getting much for Guendouzi either, but we shall see.