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Gabriel

Gazza M

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Gabriel's sister started following Edu's daughter on Instagram, close the thread.

This reads as parody, but someone actually figured this out :doh:

Coombs

Why in the flying lemur pits of hell would you want to suffer constant racial abuse while playing for Genaro bloody Gattuso?

Gazza M

Lille president with new comments that he'll make his choice early this week

Hope its us. 2 skyscrapers playing at centre half for arsenal just feels right. Two tower defense, word to sauron and saruman

QuincyAbeyie

goon wrote:
Arseblog said we’re close to signing a left sided centre back. Must be Gabriel.

It's not like Arseblog to bullshit about stuff like that, so to me it seems like he'll pick Arsenal.

I don't see why Napoli would be the better choice either. If they were in the CL, sure, but they're not. They're doing the same thing as us in a weaker league and have probably offered a smaller salary.

Big Willie

I'd rather it wasn't us. Looks a red card machine to me. Rash as fuck as well and extremely one footed. Not in the slightest bit impressed despite some of the praise he's getting.

Sicario

Big Willie wrote:
I'd rather it wasn't us. Looks a red card machine to me. Rash as fuck as well and extremely one footed. Not in the slightest bit impressed despite some of the praise he's getting.

Honest question, how many times have you seen him play?

Coombs

Look at it this way Willie, we're going for potential in defense with at least the right physical attributes and raw ability, so that we can go big in midfield.

It was always going to be one or the other.

Gazza M

Coombs wrote:
Look at it this way Willie, we're going for potential in defense with at least the right physical attributes and raw ability, so that we can go big in midfield.

It was always going to be one or the other.

Can't teach height

QuincyAbeyie

Haven't seen him much, so I just have to hope for the best. He does go to ground too often for my liking, but some reports suggest that the manager at Lille tasks him and Fonte with being reactive/passive and proactive respectively, and that he goes to ground more than he'd ideally like due to this. A big strength of his seems to be his long balls, so the plan is probably to phase out Luiz without losing what he offers offensively.

Big Willie

Sicario wrote:
Big Willie wrote:
I'd rather it wasn't us. Looks a red card machine to me. Rash as fuck as well and extremely one footed. Not in the slightest bit impressed despite some of the praise he's getting.

Honest question, how many times have you seen him play?

Honestly, not much other than the comps and some touch vids when we were linked. I don't really watch links for people I don't know much about unless they're strongly linked to us so I was excited at the first links after hearing some of the praise sent his way. Once I watched a few vids I was a lot less impressed. Yeah, I know it's not a lot to go on but it's the impression I get. Him diving into tackles really scares me, especially with how refs treat us, calling bullshit freekicks and cards for the most minor things.

Coombs wrote:
Look at it this way Willie, we're going for potential in defense with at least the right physical attributes and raw ability, so that we can go big in midfield.

It was always going to be one or the other.

I understand that Coombs, and if we sign him, I'll be more than supportive and hoping he succeeds. I just feel goong for potential doesn't necessarily mean the player must have some glaring flaws. Saliba looked impressive from first viewing, I just don't get that kind of feeling from Gabriel.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Haven't seen him much, so I just have to hope for the best. He does go to ground too often for my liking, but some reports suggest that the manager at Lille tasks him and Fonte with being reactive/passive and proactive respectively, and that he goes to ground more than he'd ideally like due to this. A big strength of his seems to be his long balls, so the plan is probably to phase out Luiz without losing what he offers offensively.

I haven't seen these reports but if true then I'd be a lot less worried. Constantly going to ground full blood and thunder style was something you could get away with back in the day. Nowadays you're more likely to get left by the quick feet of the player you're defending or punished by the ref. Doubly so if you play for Arsenal.

Claudius

I think we need to start with offense. When I go back to our games and see Holding and Kolasinac struggling to get the ball out of the back line, I am really desperate for a good ball playing defender. You saw how Upamecano was the hub for Leipzig’s offense the other night. His mate Konate’s also good on the ball. We need to go on that direction. Who can pass the ball out? Rotate with the DM to give us progression on the ball. These are the things that break presses and launch attacks. Those are the qualities we want from a defender.
And then we can see if he does the less important defending stuff 😆

FEBravo

No one has any concerns about having him and Saliba who, both despite their high ceilings, have never played in the Prem before. Remember it took Kos at least one year to get use to the pace and physicality. to have both of them learn seems like a recipe for disaster in the short term, no?

Klaus

FEBravo wrote:
No one has any concerns about having him and Saliba who, both despite their high ceilings, have never played in the Prem before. Remember it took Kos at least one year to get use to the pace and physicality. to have both of them learn seems like a recipe for disaster in the short term, no?

That's exactly my concern too. Can't think of any examples where swapping both centrebacks for young blokes who are unfamiliar with the league and most likely also the language has ever been a success.

QuincyAbeyie

It's not like we're getting rid of all our defensive CB experience. Some of them will still be here and also be first choices if the new guys aren't up to it initially.

Claudius

My expectation is that David Luiz will be the lead defender for at least the first few months no matter what happens in this window. And that’s fine. I think of how Klopp slowly introduced Fabinho. If you have a plan, there’s no need to rush things

Clrnc

I think Upamecano is way too expensive and out of our reach after that performance, and Gabriel really has huge potential given that he is already one of Ligue 1s best defender in his first season that's not even a full season.

I get many of the concerns and they are valid, but there's also a reason why many top clubs are after him.

We should always gamble on prospects like him that have massive upside.

Claudius

Fair, I trust your perspectives on Ligue1 talent.

goon

Klaus wrote:
FEBravo wrote:
No one has any concerns about having him and Saliba who, both despite their high ceilings, have never played in the Prem before. Remember it took Kos at least one year to get use to the pace and physicality. to have both of them learn seems like a recipe for disaster in the short term, no?

That's exactly my concern too. Can't think of any examples where swapping both centrebacks for young blokes who are unfamiliar with the league and most likely also the language has ever been a success.

I think they both speak English though I may be wrong.

I doubt we'll see them play a lot together initially anyway though. I'd expect Luiz to start the season.

Clrnc

Telegraph (Jason Burt) reporting that we are very close to signing Gabriel.

Negotiations were concluded by Raul with his close friend at Lille before he left.

goon

Nice. We're building a really good core group of young players.

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