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The Wishlist 2020/21

goon

Agree with Ricky. I'd add that I think confidence/mentality plays a huge part too. Liverpool and City, like most successful sides, have an air of arrogance about them that means most of the time they don't really get phased by a bad spell or mistake, they're able to brush it off a lot easier than our guys who allow it to affect their decision making. We stop playing instinctively and start overthinking things.

Clrnc

Ricky1985 wrote:
Henderson and Fabinho are far from technical wizards and certainly less skilled than Partey and Ødegaard. They often play Chamberlain with his cement block feet in there too. The difference is they've been working on their team structure and ability to maintain intensity for 7+ years. They don't wilt anywhere close to as easily as we do. It happens still don't get me wrong, but a few Joachim Andersen diagonals won't see them drop back to their own box and entirely lose the structure that their whole game is built on. When they do get pushed back they can be made to look very ordinary and their poorer technicians can really be got at.

Joachim Andersen is a very very good CB though. His passing is very good. When I saw how good and intelligent he was on the ball I don't really blame our players

goon

Yeah those passes were pin point. Mind you we gave him too much time and space to pick them out.

Ricky1985

Clrnc wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
Henderson and Fabinho are far from technical wizards and certainly less skilled than Partey and Ødegaard. They often play Chamberlain with his cement block feet in there too. The difference is they've been working on their team structure and ability to maintain intensity for 7+ years. They don't wilt anywhere close to as easily as we do. It happens still don't get me wrong, but a few Joachim Andersen diagonals won't see them drop back to their own box and entirely lose the structure that their whole game is built on. When they do get pushed back they can be made to look very ordinary and their poorer technicians can really be got at.

Joachim Andersen is a very very good CB though. His passing is very good. When I saw how good and intelligent he was on the ball I don't really blame our players

I'm not saying he's not a good passer, I'm saying Liverpool and City would suffer that for about 5 seconds before they stepped up and pressed him into mistakes.

JazzG

Ricky1985 wrote:
Henderson and Fabinho are far from technical wizards and certainly less skilled than Partey and Ødegaard. They often play Chamberlain with his cement block feet in there too. The difference is they've been working on their team structure and ability to maintain intensity for 7+ years. They don't wilt anywhere close to as easily as we do. It happens still don't get me wrong, but a few Joachim Andersen diagonals won't see them drop back to their own box and entirely lose the structure that their whole game is built on. When they do get pushed back they can be made to look very ordinary and their poorer technicians can really be got at.

A lot of Liverpool's play is about using the CMs to basically press like mad and then get the ball out wide. They've got two superb attacking fullbacks and two superb wide attackers. The CMs are very good at switching play and getting the ball out wide quickly. Their CMs don't really need to be that silky or good on the ball as a lot of their attacking play happens out wide.

Yesterday too many times we got caught out trying to be too cute, if we want to be a possession team we need a better CM who can help retain possession. If we want to be more like Liverpool then we need to move the ball a hell of a lot quicker. I don't think we have completely settled on our style of play yet which is a bit worrying.

Also Jesus should have been man marking Andersen, that guy has a wand of a right foot and you cannot let someone like that keep pinging them over like that. We've improved in a lot of aspects this summer but I do worry about the midfield, things are up in the air with Partey and Xhaka isn't good enough. We need at least one player here this summer.

lorddulaarsenal

Get me this man

This team needs a player that can stand up a man and burst past him. Clever link play too.

Sicario

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Get me this man

This team needs a player that can stand up a man and bust past him. Clever link play too.

Pepe 2.0

lorddulaarsenal

What a lazy comparison

Clrnc

Not my type of winger. Get me Gakpo or madueke

Sicario

Ricky1985

I'm not convinced by Diaby's finishing, and I think if we are to bring in a wide player he's got be able to offer a serious goalscoring threat first and foremost. Saka and Martinelli are brilliant and will become 20-goal/season wide players, but if they don't get near that this season then our targets are going to be harder to attain.

It's a similar story in midfield for me. We have Smith Rowe and Vieira and I think they're just the right type of players for that 8/10 role we have either side of Partey, but they're not quite there yet, and we're going to have to be patient and accept they're a work in progress. That's why I'm for signing Tielemans even though I'm not a huge fan because he'll be cheap to buy and won't want silly wages, he's the right age and will still have re-sale value in 3 years, he can work in the 8/10 role and maybe Partey's 6 role too, and he will be ready to rumble from day one.

If there's a forward equivalent out there, I'd be all over that too.

Sicario

Agreed re Tielmans.

Surely we are going to finally go after him this week before we play Leicester.

Or we have an agreement that he doesn’t play against us.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Would be cool to have the new Vieira and the new Diaby, the original of whom was also the new Vieira.

Doc

Tielemans is a strange one. His club want to sell him and he wants to leave. Will be a value deal as he has a year left on his contract... He is a very good player, even those that don't want him acknowledge that but seems like they want to hold out for WC level.. SMS or whatever.

Despite all of that there has been zero bids for him....

Either reports that he only wants us and we are waiting for the right time is correct, but seems less and less likely as the days go on or he wants to run down his contract. Weird situation

TambourineMan

I'd be happy with a stop gap option like Tielemans if we then go big on a winger.

Preference:
--------------------------Back 5--------------------------
--------------------------Partey---------------------------
-------Ode (advanced)-------Tielemans (B2B)--------
-------Saka--------------Jesus------------Sane (go big!)

Or:

--------------------------Back 5--------------------------
--------------------------Partey---------------------------
-------Maddison (advanced)-------Ode (B2B)--------
-------Saka-------------Jesus------------Martinelli------

And sign a winger like Gakpo who'd be more of a rotation option/competition for Martinelli vs a marquee signing.

Either way, after this weekend and watching the Spurs game specifically I think we need to add one more goalscorer to our XI. I don't think we have enough goals in our XI to compete with Spurs if I'm being completely honest. Even if we're better than them in all other parts of the pitch we just can't compete with 40/50 goals from just Kane and Son and probably another 10 or so from Kulesevski.

At the moment, I think we have Jesus who is good for 15/20, Saka and one of ESR/Martinelli (depending on who starts more frequently) should be good for 10 or so (that's roughly just 40 from the three biggest attacking threats in our XI) and I don't think that's going to be enough. We need another player who'll be good for 10/15 goals or so - if not I think we will fall short again this season.

Burnwinter

Doc wrote:
Despite all of that there has been zero bids for him....

Either reports that he only wants us and we are waiting for the right time is correct, but seems less and less likely as the days go on or he wants to run down his contract. Weird situation

Not that weird. One reason for this kind of thing is when the optimal bidding war for Tielemans, or the optimal destination from the player's point of view, can only crystallise after some other moves in the window are determined.

Doc

Maybe you are right, just would of expected a bit more action.. No reason a club like Newcastle wouldn't make a bid to test the club/players resolve... something is bound to happen soon.

Clrnc

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Can see why Edu wanted him so much. What a complete CM he is. This is really one big miss by us.

banduan

if we wanted him that much we shoulda tried harder.

Anzac

banduan wrote:
if we wanted him that much we shoulda tried harder.

Guimaraes has said we didn't come up with the money when it mattered. Whilst I don't believe it was a funds issue I do believe it was more about needing to sell before we had room to buy in regards to numbers, wages and/or a vacancy in the starting XI.

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