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#Coronavirus

GooneriC

The whole flights situation is a mess . Airlines cancelling at short notice and leaving people stranded for at least a month in India. My parents and brother were scheduled to leave Mumbai for Barbados via Frankfurt and Lufthansa abruptly cancelled all flights. They then rebooked them on Air India , but at the airport they had no authorisation from Lufthansa so were refused at the check in desk and missed that flight as well. I then had to quickly buy them tickets on Etihad rerouted through Dubai to Frankfurt and they finally managed to squeeze onto that flight just in time to leave this morning. They just got in the air an hour ago to Frankfurt when i got an email alert that flights originating from India even though they are rerouted will be cancelled, except for those already airborne so they just made it in time. Flight to Barbados via Lufthansa is tomorrow , thankfully that is on schedule with a near empty plane because they have to pick up hundreds of stranded cruise passengers from Barbados . That lot have been separated and not allowed to leave the ship until the flight is ready so they can be transferred immeadiately to the tarmac and onto the plane. So far we have no cases of Covid-19 , but everyone coming home from Europe are to go in self Quarantine if not exhibting symptoms. Those with even a slight cough / high temperature are moved directly to a quarantined testing station. Just hoping our Health care systems dont miss anything , but anyone feeling ill have to call a hotline and be transported by special ambulance to be tested. So far no confirmed cases here . Hope it stays that way but i feel its inevitable that a few cases will emerge soon.

Claudius

y va marquer wrote:
The latest from our Chief Medical Officer

We don't anticipate saying we'll go back to normal on the 29 March."

He said the WHO has again reiterated its advice on testing - test as many cases as possible. He said: "Test, test, test..that's our main priority."

Dr Holohan added "We're not recommending lockdown. It would be easy to recommend every airport, workplace, every part of society to close, that might reduce the spread of the virus but it would be a disportionate response"

He said there is a package of measures, firstly around behaviours, social distancing and hygiene ettiquette, and that "we need the vast majority of people to follow most of the recommendations most of the time. We think that's a reasonable response".

They estimate we could have 15,000 cases by the end of the month.

I think they're doing really well on the communication front - they're not sugar coating anything but they have been clear and consistent.

Meatwad wrote:
i thought the reagan-thatcher 1-2 punch was bad, this trump-boris one takes the cake.

Trump is a mess. But interesting. Saw an Ipsos poll on morning how he was handling the crisis. 45% approve and 51% disapprove. Lots of approval given how angry folks seem to be.
Then I looked at his approval tracker. Similar numbers for the last year, actually. It’s currently sitting at 42% approve of his job performance snd 53% disapprove. So more people approve (within a margin of error) of his handling of the crisis than of his overall job performance.

While you’re at it, check this swing voter anecdote

Clrnc

UK apparently have more deaths now at this stage than any other countries other than Spain. Not looking good

flobaba

People are funny. At the end of the day politics is like football. We pick our teams, and stick with them no matter what. Even when it’s clear they’re shit, until the issues arrive at a break glass with axe scenario before we barely begin to accept what “outsiders” are saying, and even then we can always justify our support, and point at the positive.

Let’s all stay safe and united through these trying times. God knows we need more coming together than isolation in today’s world, so this virus is even more devastating in the sense that it necessitates isolation and propagates loneliness. I’ve got a kid brother in Europe who, thankfully, is beginning to recover from his symptoms. Asthma is an underlying condition, and he was always extremely susceptible to the flu and seasonal allergies. Self isolated at his apartment with days of fever and aches and a terrible cough. Been worried stiff. Can’t tell the parents, cos they’ll panic, and try to get him home, which is a disaster waiting to happen for people in their age category. Hospitals all filled up. We found there was zero chance od emergency room care for a foreign, African, student when even the locals can’t get a spot. All I can do is have his friends do spot checks on him from an acceptable social distance and make sure he has enough money to give to them so they help buy whatever he might need. Vitamin Supplements, medicine, fruits if any left at the grocery stores, etc. Meanwhile the country is reporting official low numbers that everyone in there knows are vastly untrue...

Kel Varnsen

The imperial college study is really interesting. I am not an epidemiologist, but it's a bit weird they rely on some of the italian numbers for some of their parameters. Anyways, that probably just inflates some numbers somewhat. What's more interesting is that they conclude:

" The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package –
or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a
vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) – given that we predict that transmission
will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed."

Now, there is no single definition of social distancing. But if we look at for instance Denmark and Norway, that means no travel (airline or otherwise), pubs, bars, restaurants, football or (any sports), going to the gym, hotels, concerts, festivals, conferences, movies or cinemas, theatres, summer house or cabin etc etc for 18 months. That's crazy. Will there even be an Arsenal on the other side if suppression lasts for 18 months?

"https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

est

That's tough, Flobs. Hope your brother recovers fully!

Claudius

Hope your brother gets well soon. And good thinking on the parents as well.

Kel Varnsen

This study supports the estimates from Diamond Princess and South Korea regarding infection fatality ratio (and even hospitalization and intensive care ratios):

"We estimate 86% of all infections were undocumented (95% CI: [82%–90%]) prior to 23 January 2020 travel restrictions."

These numbers will vary from country to country, but it is clear that a large number of infected will be asymptomatic (or near asymptomatic). This means that a lot fewer people than expected will die, or even need intensive care.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/13/science.abb3221

flobaba

Thanks Claudius, est.

Yep. It’s been scary this past week. One just feels rage, and fear, but it’s the knowledge that you are really powerless to help besides trying to reach out as often as possible that gets you.

Gazza M

Just found out ive had second hand contact with 3 people that have taken the covid-19 test this week (partners work colleagues).
Waiting to hear about the results. All have traveled in the last few weeks, and all have a few of the symptoms. As i understand people who've had 2nd hand contact aren't required to self-isolate per NSW Health Department advice, but I'm working from home regardless. Bit of paranoia definitely starts kicking in as you to start to feel like there's a net closing in

Kel Varnsen

Gazza M wrote:
Just found out ive had second hand contact with 3 people that have taken the covid-19 test this week (partners work colleagues).
Waiting to hear about the results. All have traveled in the last few weeks, and all have a few of the symptoms. As i understand people who've had 2nd hand contact aren't required to self-isolate per NSW Health Department advice, but I'm working from home regardless. Bit of paranoia definitely starts kicking in as you to start to feel like there's a net closing in

As long as you try to avoid infecting others, things will be fine. Symptoms from this virus will be milder than the regular flu for most people (about 1/3-1/2 of infected get sick. About 80-90% of those who get sick get mild symptoms).

Claudius

Jones will be happy to know that Amazon is hiring 10,000 more people. Bezos must have a deal with the devil. As the world falls apart, he is going to become so wealthy because of corona.
And I’m just sitting here thinking. He has a logistical backbone. So anybody who needs that support during this period, including clinical services, might look to him. This might be a good time to start delivering pharmaceuticals as well. Amazon Prime will also be popping because of couch potatoes looking for streaming content. The world will collapse and he will be worth billions more.

goon

He's literally Lex Luthor.

Claudius

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-vaccine-first-dose-participant/index.html

Good news. The first steps of a long journey on vaccine trials in the US has started. Of course if a vaccine is made in the US, Trump will keep everything there, but it’s a start if we have success.

Mirth

Claudius wrote:
Jones will be happy to know that Amazon is hiring 10,000 more people. Bezos must have a deal with the devil. As the world falls apart, he is going to become so wealthy because of corona.
And I’m just sitting here thinking. He has a logistical backbone. So anybody who needs that support during this period, including clinical services, might look to him. This might be a good time to start delivering pharmaceuticals as well. Amazon Prime will also be popping because of couch potatoes looking for streaming content. The world will collapse and he will be worth billions more.

Fuck. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Qwiss

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-spain-nationalises-private-hospitals-emergency-covid-19-lockdown-2020-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T&utm_source=reddit.com

Spain nationising all their healthcare.

Burnwinter

Good time for Amazon staff to unionise. They've been offered a raise of $20h apparently.

Claudius

When we are done with corona, Biden should give Warren a new job of updating American antitrust acts including the Sherman Law. Interpretation of competition law in America is the single biggest threat to the American dream. Amazon, Google, Apple and Facebook are just going to keep swallowing up competitors and choking the start-up supply line. Warren should just come in and change the rules so we don’t over-index price-based competition for identifying monopoly power; but look at how these new zaibatsu style entities own entire industries and force customers to purchase products because of their lock-in effects. And then split them and create open operating environments.
Sorry. Had to rant

jones

Claudius wrote:
Jones will be happy to know that Amazon is hiring 10,000 more people. Bezos must have a deal with the devil. As the world falls apart, he is going to become so wealthy because of corona.
And I’m just sitting here thinking. He has a logistical backbone. So anybody who needs that support during this period, including clinical services, might look to him. This might be a good time to start delivering pharmaceuticals as well. Amazon Prime will also be popping because of couch potatoes looking for streaming content. The world will collapse and he will be worth billions more.

100k, not 10k

flobaba

They’re still having to beg Americans to stay home. We still don’t get it.

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