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QuincyAbeyie

It's not a math test, but ignoring two potential ankle-breakers is still worse than ignoring one, which is still bad enough.

Klaus

jones wrote:
It's not a math test. He doesn't get a D because he got 50% of the calls right, he shouldn't even be in the VAR booth after fucking up the Jorginho call.

Yes, but the idea seemed to be that he has something against us because he gave two massive calls against us in the span of two weeks. That's the only reason to even mention him in this context. I didn't think much of his performance in the Chelsea game but not even Aubameyang's mom is going to claim that he got sent off against Palace because Pawson is biased against us. The VAR room is intended to be used exactly this way and it did its job for once. It should have stepped in and done its job against Chelsea too.

Someone in the match thread mentioned that the fact Paul Tierney only gave a yellow initially for that challenge from Auba told you everything you needed to know about how he officiated the game, which I thought was a good point. The referee on the pitch is supposed to deescalate situations. Instead he just let it roll until it reached the level of aggression where bad challenges came flying in everywhere. I think he's the one who should be criticised.

Claudius

I think the constant complaining about officiating is over the top. These guys have to make initial decisions on the fly with lots of data flying in their face, and often from obscured positions. Then they review and have to deal with the anchoring of their original decisions. These are incredibly difficult things to deal with quickly, under pressure. The consistency issue will always be difficult because of these issues. If you want machines to ref, then so be it

As for VAR, great idea, poor execution. They need to a) standardize the rules on offside parameters with margins of error, b) automate and deliver results faster, and c) share the result with stadium and tv fans alike

Qwiss

VAR should send Auba off for that tackle. Protecting players is about the only good argument for VAR at this stage.

Another frustrating thing about VAR at the moment that popped up in this match was one of their players took a dive, can't remember if it was Ayew or Zaha, but the call went our way with no penalty given but there is never a card for diving when VAR looks at these incidents. I thought that was going to be one of the positives of VAR?

jones

Same thing happened with Wan Bissaka when we played United, VAR checked it replay shows no contact and nothing happens. It's obvious it's nothing to do with the usage of VAR it's just piece of shit refs blatantly disregarding the rules.

QuincyAbeyie

Qwiss! wrote:
VAR should send Auba off for that tackle. Protecting players is about the only good argument for VAR at this state.

Another frustrating thing about VAR at the moment that popped up in this match was one of their players took a dive, can't remember if it was Ayew or Zaha, but the call went our way with no penalty given but there is never a card for diving when VAR looks at these incidents. I thought that was going to be one of the positives of VAR?

I'm not quite sure how it works, but since VAR only looks at red cards, penalty incidents and goals I'm guessing dive would probably only be given by VAR if the dive worked initially and they got the penalty. When the call goes our way that means the ref has seen through it so I'm not sure why he's not giving a yellow in the first place. So yeah, what Jones said I guess.

Qwiss

I don't think its on the ref though. Very hard for a ref in real time to see a lot of dives. VARs supposed to catch what the refs miss. VAR should 100% be giving yellows if they're checking the incident anyway.

jones

I think he's talking about the ref in the VAR booth, at least I was.

QuincyAbeyie

I guess the question is does VAR allow for giving a yellow for diving if the call from the on-field ref already was not to give them a freekick/penalty? I thought it didn't (only review goals, penalties, red cards), but if it does then it should've happened plenty of times.

goon

It wouldn't be that hard for them to specifically look to punish dives regardless of the severity of the offence and outside the normal parameters.

Qwiss

Again its a problem with the implementation of VAR. Why can't it make that call, whats the thinking behind that? Meanwhile we spent 10 minutes waiting for ridiculously forensic judgements on offsides.

QuincyAbeyie

goon wrote:
It wouldn't be that hard for them to specifically look to punish dives regardless of the severity of the offence and outside the normal parameters.

I'm not talking about whether or not it's possible for the VAR ref to do that, but rather if the instructions for VAR allow him to.

Clrnc

I actually like how passionate all our coaches are.

banduan

was not happy was he

goon

I saw the clip of him just before (and after) we conceded our goal. He obviously spotted something and judging by his reaction it had a big impact on the goal. Looking at it, I wonder if it was Kola? Huge gap between him and the wide player and then minimal effort to actually close him down.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Our full backs have been brain dead in that aspect for many a year.

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