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Official: Mikel Arteta is the new Arsenal manager.

Claudius

Coombs I am struggling to reconcile any of this with him being offered a promotion to a CeO role of a more complex structure and a 3x pay bump.

Don Pacifico

Claudius some people interview well. Fake it til you make it (or get horrendously found out).

On a side-note, easy to forget that Edu was something like 3rd/4th choice for the job here. Wonder if the way the role is structured meant that sporting director has little real influence at the club and that's why we couldn't attract higher profile candidates? Pure speculation on my part of course.

Coombs

Claudius I don't understand the point, here. We lost our sporting director, we should get another sporting director, and some of us hope we get in someone better. Are you saying that there is nobody better, or that the position itself is meaningless?

Tam

Coombs I just look at the prices we pay for our players, the result of extension negotiations

Coombs You ask what Bergiristain has done, but he's got the proof in his pudding.

I'm struggling to see why this is a stick to beat Edu with. I think we've done well to hold, extend and tie down some of our key players in recent years. Whether that is down to Arteta's vision or Edu's management is up for debate, but Edu got the deals over the line and I don't think anyone considers we're being ripped off with the extensions we've signed.

The salaries of the likes of Jesus and Havertz on the other hand, well that's perhaps a different story....

And Begiristain point - without meaning to knock either him or Guardiola for the sake of it, they've both built careers and benefitted from a ridiculously talented pool of players coming through during their spell at Barcelona and then moving to the richest club in the richest league with almost unlimited resources and still a desire to circumvent the rules despite their massive competitive advantage. I've got an extremely sweet tooth but even that pudding is too much for me to stomach.

Claudius

Tam I can’t see how our fans can beat down on a club servant like Edu and then pine for a guy like Txiki who has had nothing but good fortune his whole career. Beggars belief

QuincyAbeyie

Weird to see someone big up Edu and at the same time talk down Txiki.

Clrnc

Probably the same people who kept saying Arteta is a far better manager than Pep and Klopp etc and is an innovator of the game

RocktheCasbah

Clrnc has ANYONE here ever said that?

I've been pro Arteta for longer than pretty much 99% of posters here and not even I would venture that opinion. Stop making things up.

QuincyAbeyie

RocktheCasbah That he's the best manager in the world would imply that he's better than Pep and Klopp - although not far better. Not saying you've said this.

Clrnc

RocktheCasbah Previously someone said he's the best manager in the league because he has to work with far lesser resources and that he played a big part of Pep's success.

Basically crediting him with every little thing possible (Sterling's improvement in City, innovating their set piece, inventing the inverted LB etc)

RocktheCasbah

QuincyAbeyie good. 😁

I think even Arteta's biggest fans would concede trophies have to be put in the cabinet before the could be compared favourably with Jürgen Klopp, never mind Pep. To say otherwise would be mad.

I'd love Clarence to point us to this post he's talking about.

Tam

Weird to see someone care about any potential criticism of one of the architects of 115 charges.

But to address your point, it's entirely possible to talk up Edu, talk down Begiristain, and also accept Begiristain is still the more competent in the role.

QuincyAbeyie

Tam it's entirely possible to talk up Edu, talk down Begiristain, and also accept Begiristain is still the more competent in the role.

Entirely possible, but someone who thinks Edu was a good person for the job and doesn't see why Berigistain would be a good alternative probably doesn't think so.

Tam

Clrnc Who said that? And how does it fit with your comment that it's the same people bigging up Edu and talking down Txiki?

Clrnc

Tam Pretty sure I read an argument like this previously but the same people comment was more tongue in cheek and I didn't see your post above anyway

Gurgen

The discussion in this thread proves that none of us can really assess how Edu has done really. It's mostly a black box and there are so many variables to take into account. I just hope we don't hire another crook like Sannlehi.

RowJimmy

I don't understand what you all are arguing about here.

daredevil

RowJimmy

Beats me, apparently there's a lot of Board Room and internal knowledge that you and I missed the memo on.

Don Pacifico

daredevil yeah, you should look into that. Maybe something to be a bit more clued up on next time so you can contribute something meaningful to the discussion.

goon

The way football is going well have a wishlist thread for C-Suite execs soon.

“Just bring a top class CTO and COO, the ones from Apple and VW are pretty good. No doubt we’re just going to go out and get yet another CFO though”

“What top exec is available though?!?, the only ones that have moved have been from Blockbuster”

Claudius

goon sounds good on paper but really hard to do. You still need people with domain knowledge and relationships, which is why Edu was so valuable.

There are definitely interesting options out there. What I am thankful for is that we are looking for a new DoF when we have just finished 2nd two years in a row and have one of the 3-4 most valuable squads in the world filled with promising young world class players on long term contracts. Contrast with when Edu started and we were outside top 4, with a declining squad value dragged down by old men and has beens. And consider the challenges of having to take over during COVID, when there was a financial crisis and we had to shutter our scouting system.

Edu has built a great platform for the next guy. Will be interesting to see what new angles we can play to keep improving and evolving. It’s an exciting opportunity that we shouldn’t waste.

Mirth

goon Apple's CFO isn't world class yet. He needs to win some margin expansion across Europe singlehandedly to prove that he's a big game exec.

Coombs

goon we've been interested in board makeup, directors, and executives for decades. It's not a new thing, it's how it's been for ages. Maybe we weren't as kids, but the idea that our changing experience reflects some kind of contemporary malaise is a fallacy.

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