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Official: Mikel Arteta is the new Arsenal manager.

flobaba

awooga83 wrote:
I think there is a case for trying to stick with managers at times depending on the circumstances but Arteta isn't that guy. He's totally unproven so you would be sticking with someone who has no basis today suggests he will get better and his current level just isn't good enough.

Hey, what’s wrong with closing our eyes tight and hoping for the best?

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Good post Klaus.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

flobaba wrote:
awooga83 wrote:
I think there is a case for trying to stick with managers at times depending on the circumstances but Arteta isn't that guy. He's totally unproven so you would be sticking with someone who has no basis today suggests he will get better and his current level just isn't good enough.

Hey, what’s wrong with closing our eyes tight and hoping for the best?

I mean, it's how we've operated in the market since 2011 anyway 🙂

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
The most damning thing isn't that we're 15th in the table but that most of our stats indicate that we should be lower than that. We're 20th in terms of goals from open play, 19th in terms of shots on target. 20th in shot conversion rate, 17th in goals scored overall.

We didn't get here by bad luck, by a red card or two wrecking our well-paved plans, but by systematically stripping technique and creativity from the team and whipping all the individuality out of the remaining players. That's one hundred percent on Arteta, and it's why he has to go. I don't even care if he turns things around and manages a midtable finish; he's a trash manager with trash ideas about how to play football. This is absolute garbage.

I'm sad and angry that he proved to be like this, because I absolutely loved Arteta as a player and I genuinely like him as a person. He would have been so easy to back if only there was a single thing about him that wasn't fucking nonsense, but he really is awful.

Agreed with the cause and effect, but not with the individual responsible.

IMO much of our technical/creative ability was stripped under Sanllehi, to the point Arteta started with only Ozil and Xhaka as recognised playmakers in the match day squad. Iwobi, Wilshere, Rambo and Mykhi had all been sold/exiled prior to his arrival. IMO Willian was a misguided / compromise attempt to redress that issue based upon Arteta's preference for work rate players.

lorddulaarsenal

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1374964/Arsenal-news-Mikel-Arteta-manager-sack-SNT

Terrible journalism. We didn’t lose to Southampton

Burnwinter

Gotta say if Arteta has to go I'd be deeply concerned if Edu was the one making the call. Conflicts of interest all over the place.

Claudius

Burnwinter wrote:
Gotta say if Arteta has to go I'd be deeply concerned if Edu was the one making the call. Conflicts of interest all over the place.

Which conflicts?

Gazza M

Arteta: "Last year against Everton we won the game with 25 per cent chance of winning, supported by the stats. We won 3-2. Last weekend it was 67 per cent chance of winning and nine percent of losing - and you lose."

what!?

lorddulaarsenal

Bizarro Arteta

GooneriC

Tired of that shit already. I wonder if thats the kind of garbage logic he puts to the players in team meetings

y va marquer

Not sure what to say on the Arteta situation.
Is it worth giving him more time?
It seems a lost cause right now.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Sick of this cyber-manager.

IBL

Hope Arteta isn't trying a Moneyball method with us cos it ain't gonna work, the stats clearly show that!

Gazza M

y va marquer wrote:

😆

Burnwinter

Claudius wrote:
Which conflicts?

Edu shares accountability for our current failures, but has strong incentives both to skirt around that now by sacking the manager, and in future by helping to hire a new one who won't challenge his regime and preferences.

The choice of firing Arteta and hiring any new manager won't belong solely to him, but I question whether he has the demonstrated experience and talent to hold an office that has such authority at the club—if it does. The thought worries me, but these are the hazards of rapid change in a more complex structure.

Anzac

y va marquer wrote:

Not sure what to say on the Arteta situation.
Is it worth giving him more time?
It seems a lost cause right now.

The Jan transfer activity, or lack thereof, will give us a better picture.

IMO in terms of replacing him it is too late for the Jan transfer window to be effective, so I think the club will simply wait until the summer or if they feel the position becomes untenable. I will be surprised if they commit further funds to this current project, and may be hoping that any replacement will be better able to work with current resources. Problem with this strategy being how many more players are likely to want to leave.

Claudius

Burnwinter wrote:
Claudius wrote:
Which conflicts?

Edu shares accountability for our current failures, but has strong incentives both to skirt around that now by sacking the manager, and in future by helping to hire a new one who won't challenge his regime and preferences.

The choice of firing Arteta and hiring any new manager won't belong solely to him, but I question whether he has the demonstrated experience and talent to hold an office that has such authority at the club—if it does. The thought worries me, but these are the hazards of rapid change in a more complex structure.

He should do the search with Vinai and get it approved by the board. That creates enough checks and balances

Klaus

Agree Burnsy. We have a leadership council at the club and it includes Venkatesham, Mertesacker, Edu and Arteta. The first two would be responsible for getting new people in if Arteta and Edu left, I assume, which sounds a lot better to me than letting Edu handpick a new name. There are questions of whether he can be trusted at all, and that's before you even begin to voice concerns about whether he is good enough at the job.

lorddulaarsenal

I’d stick with Arteta - more signings along the lines of Gabriel and Partey and we’ll be in business

The players we have are just awful.

Big Willie

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
I’d stick with Arteta - more signings along the lines of Gabriel and Partey and we’ll be in business

The players we have are just awful.

15th place awful?

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