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#kroenkeout

Claudius

Qwiss! wrote:
Don Pacifico wrote:
Of course it would have. All our traditional rivals signed up to it and none of them are owned by Kroenke. As people referenced, Dein would have pushed for it, in fact I'd wager that every PL owner would have gone for it if they'd been invited...this is just the way football is going. There's money to be made and everyone wants more of it. You either accept it out get left behind.

How would we be left behind? There is no ESL, these idiots completely misjudged the situation. They don't understand football, they don't understand fans, they don't understand the market. They've dragged the clubs name through the mud for nothing.

You know what I think happened Qs. This whole decision had to be secret. The only people who were privy to it were rich club executives and billionaires, mostly men in their 50s and 60s, many of whom are removed from fan culture. And then they launched it to the masses, completely untested, and all their biases were exposed.

Qwiss

Now they owe millions to JP Morgan. It doesn't matter if the others did it too. This is a mess and not responsible stewardship of the club.

Qwiss

Claudius wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
How would we be left behind? There is no ESL, these idiots completely misjudged the situation. They don't understand football, they don't understand fans, they don't understand the market. They've dragged the clubs name through the mud for nothing.

You know what I think happened Qs. This whole decision had to be secret. The only people who were privy to it were rich club executives and billionaires, mostly men in their 50s and 60s, many of whom are removed from fan culture. And then they launched it to the masses, completely untested, and all their biases were exposed.

I was thinking about it this morning. People assume some competence and some amount of research etc but too often these things are done on a whim and a hunch. Reminds me of Microsoft trying to make the Xbox an entertainment system and losing huge market share to Sony. Chasing casuals isn't a good strategy.

Claudius

What was the term they used? Legacy fans.
That thinking suggests a lack of understanding about how football fans relate to their teams. I think it’s a different relationship to how US fans relate to professional teams outside the old baseball teams. Teams are an important part of people’s identities and how they behave is important.

He should bend over backwards now. Give support to local businesses around the stadium etc as part of the great Arsenalisation project

Coombs

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Don Pacifico wrote:
But they did sign up for it, didn't they?

Instead of answering a question you know the answer to I'll repeat the last sentence "If the other owners had the same stance as the City and Chelsea owners this never would've happened in the first place", since you seem to think it doesn't matter who owns the club.

I don't think this is entirely accurate in that I don't think they are any better than Kroenke, et al. My less-than-educated hunches are:

Chelsea and City had completely different reasons for being skeptical than the other clubs had for joining. They already are competitive and/or raking in the cash with their respective models, and don't really need an ESL. Making money isn't even the reason they got into football in the first place. It's the cheap-ass Americans (and Brits) who don't think they should have to spend money to make money (and also don't have the same safety net of a nation-state under them) who went for it, and thought they could drag the sheikhs and oligarchs along with them with strength in numbers. The Southern European clubs are just looking for a bail-out wherever they can find it because they are in the hole.

I think they believe themselves when they say the shit they do about "saving football" and what-have-you. It's just that what they mean by "football" is not what everyone else means, and they're wrong about the nature of the game and how supporters engage with it - as qs! has already articulated.

QuincyAbeyie

Coombs wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Instead of answering a question you know the answer to I'll repeat the last sentence "If the other owners had the same stance as the City and Chelsea owners this never would've happened in the first place", since you seem to think it doesn't matter who owns the club.

I don't think this is entirely accurate in that I don't think they are any better than Kroenke, et al. My less-than-educated hunches are:

Chelsea and City had completely different reasons for being skeptical than the other clubs had for joining. They already are competitive and/or raking in the cash with their respective models, and don't really need an ESL. Making money isn't even the reason they got into football in the first place. It's the cheap-ass Americans (and Brits) who don't think they should have to spend money to make money (and also don't have the same safety net of a nation-state under them) who went for it, and thought they could drag the sheikhs and oligarchs along with them with strength in numbers. The Southern European clubs are just looking for a bail-out wherever they can find it because they are in the hole.

I think they believe themselves when they say the shit they do about "saving football" and what-have-you. It's just that what they mean by "football" is not what everyone else means, and they're wrong about the nature of the game and how supporters engage with it - as qs! has already articulated.

But there you have it. Every owner doesn't make the same decision because every owner isn't in this for the same reasons. That's all I'm arguing.

Coombs

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Coombs wrote:
I don't think this is entirely accurate in that I don't think they are any better than Kroenke, et al. My less-than-educated hunches are:

Chelsea and City had completely different reasons for being skeptical than the other clubs had for joining. They already are competitive and/or raking in the cash with their respective models, and don't really need an ESL. Making money isn't even the reason they got into football in the first place. It's the cheap-ass Americans (and Brits) who don't think they should have to spend money to make money (and also don't have the same safety net of a nation-state under them) who went for it, and thought they could drag the sheikhs and oligarchs along with them with strength in numbers. The Southern European clubs are just looking for a bail-out wherever they can find it because they are in the hole.

I think they believe themselves when they say the shit they do about "saving football" and what-have-you. It's just that what they mean by "football" is not what everyone else means, and they're wrong about the nature of the game and how supporters engage with it - as qs! has already articulated.

But there you have it. Every owner doesn't make the same decision because every owner isn't in this for the same reasons. That's all I'm arguing.

And you're certainly right about that.

Claudius

Coombs wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Instead of answering a question you know the answer to I'll repeat the last sentence "If the other owners had the same stance as the City and Chelsea owners this never would've happened in the first place", since you seem to think it doesn't matter who owns the club.

I don't think this is entirely accurate in that I don't think they are any better than Kroenke, et al. My less-than-educated hunches are:

Chelsea and City had completely different reasons for being skeptical than the other clubs had for joining. They already are competitive and/or raking in the cash with their respective models, and don't really need an ESL. Making money isn't even the reason they got into football in the first place. It's the cheap-ass Americans (and Brits) who don't think they should have to spend money to make money (and also don't have the same safety net of a nation-state under them) who went for it, and thought they could drag the sheikhs and oligarchs along with them with strength in numbers. The Southern European clubs are just looking for a bail-out wherever they can find it because they are in the hole.

I think they believe themselves when they say the shit they do about "saving football" and what-have-you. It's just that what they mean by "football" is not what everyone else means, and they're wrong about the nature of the game and how supporters engage with it - as qs! has already articulated.

This is the problem. It’s like a bunch of thieves with very different situation. Some are spending too quickly and really need the heist money. Others are rich and are only along to be with their buddies.

The rich boys were always going to be the weakest link. This isn’t existential for them. It’s a laugh. Imagine Spurs at the other end of the spectrum for whom this was a life changing opportunity. Up in smoke now

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Now, Josh, I am excited.

QuincyAbeyie

Qwiss! wrote:
Reminds me of Microsoft trying to make the Xbox an entertainment system and losing huge market share to Sony. Chasing casuals isn't a good strategy.

This is a very spot on comparison. Incredible that they think it's as easy as to simply cater only to the lowest common denominator and forget the rest.

banduan

shoulda left it to Josh, Stan.

GooneriC

flobaba wrote:
https://www.arsenal.com/news/tim-lewis-appointed-arsenal-boards

This felt good back then, Tim Lewis lifelong Arsenal Fan. But today a simple search will turn up:
Tim Lewis partner in Clifford Chance , advisers to JP Morgan Chase.

tazmania

Hopefully turn this crap into something that forces him out, the coward

Big Willie

Great news. I was really worried we wouldn't get a proper FIFA 22 at this rate.

Claudius

Question is what happens when they send out the emails for season ticket renewals. They’re going to be in an antagonistic relationship with the fans henceforth

banduan

Claudius wrote:
Question is what happens when they send out the emails for season ticket renewals. They’re going to be in an antagonistic relationship with the fans henceforth

tbh the waiting list for season tickets is so huge I don't think they'll be in trouble on that front. It's stuff like shirt sales that might be hurt.

Jed

Arsenal’s greatest legend has spoken.

Claudius

Jed wrote:

Arsenal’s greatest legend has spoken.

The question is what does Kroenke out mean? Don’t start a revolution without a plan for the aftermath

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Hope this piece of shit is done at the club.

jones

5th is probably #MourinhoOut

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