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#kroenkeout

Jed

Has dragged the proud name of our club, with its history and tradition, right through the mud. He needs to go yesterday.

y va marquer

Time to reconcile with the fact that the Arsenal of old is dead and gone, deal with the reality of supporting a corporate brand and all that brings in terms of treatment of the romantic ideals of football, the fans and club employees.

This is all supporting a club of Arsenal stature is going to be for as long as it's has to put generating profit above all else.

Doesn't matter who buys it.

goon

Klaus wrote:
They'll just sell it to some other asshole though. Imagine that fat heroin-trafficking rapist coming back again for the Arsenal shareholder majority. Unacceptable.

I wonder how attractive buying a big club will be now though. The prospect of a lucrative breakaway league ever materialising seem slim and there's the prospect of government legislation on the horizon.

Qwiss

Big Kroenke out protest being organised for Friday before the match.

Claudius

So the rumour is he and/or the Glazers could sell.

They must have that Icarus feeling.

goon

Claudius wrote:
So the rumour is he and/or the Glazers could sell.

They must have that Icarus feeling.

I absolutely believe they may be inclined to sell now, but I don't believe any rumours surfacing tonight, things like that don't move this quickly and they certainly wouldn't make it public that they want rid.

Meatwad

y va marquer wrote:
Time to reconcile with the fact that the Arsenal of old is dead and gone, deal with the reality of supporting a corporate brand and all that brings in terms of treatment of the romantic ideals of football, the fans and club employees.

This is all supporting a club of Arsenal stature is going to be for as long as it's has to put generating profit above all else.

Doesn't matter who buys it.

if there is some semblance of supporter control (partial like germany or complete like some spanish clubs) there would at least be some checks and balances. real, barca and bayern are as nasty as anyone, actually probably more so and have been that way for decades, but their supporters have way more say than the english defectors. well chelsea's own have a big say because of their unique chelsea pitch owners.

the answer is either supporters controlling 51% or owning the land the ground is on and the team name.

Meatwad

Claudius wrote:
So the rumour is he and/or the Glazers could sell.

They must have that Icarus feeling.

i hope we don't start any unfounded rumors about kroenke because that fucker would hold on out of defiance. he owns a club where he wasn't wanted at any point in time by anyone other than david dein.

Qwiss

goon wrote:
Claudius wrote:
So the rumour is he and/or the Glazers could sell.

They must have that Icarus feeling.

I absolutely believe they may be inclined to sell now, but I don't believe any rumours surfacing tonight, things like that don't move this quickly and they certainly wouldn't make it public that they want rid.

Indeed. They're probably still trying to figure out how to salvage this disaster.

GooneriC

Qwiss! wrote:
Big Kroenke out protest being organised for Friday before the match.

Need it to be massive and bigger than the Chelsea one , block the stadium off and let them know they aren't wanted louder than ever before

Claudius

Meatwad wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
Time to reconcile with the fact that the Arsenal of old is dead and gone, deal with the reality of supporting a corporate brand and all that brings in terms of treatment of the romantic ideals of football, the fans and club employees.

This is all supporting a club of Arsenal stature is going to be for as long as it's has to put generating profit above all else.

Doesn't matter who buys it.

if there is some semblance of supporter control (partial like germany or complete like some spanish clubs) there would at least be some checks and balances. real, barca and bayern are as nasty as anyone, actually probably more so and have been that way for decades, but their supporters have way more say than the english defectors. well chelsea's own have a big say because of their unique chelsea pitch owners.

the answer is either supporters controlling 51% or owning the land the ground is on and the team name.

51%
The teams will never get another opportunity like this. They should literally refuse to start next season until a new set of principles is signed. United, Arsenal and Liverpool can’t play each for 38 rounds

But trust me. Time to introduce the playoffs as well. It may sound as American as Kroenke, but will help shake up top 6.

GooneriC

Meatwad wrote:
Claudius wrote:
So the rumour is he and/or the Glazers could sell.

They must have that Icarus feeling.

i hope we don't start any unfounded rumors about kroenke because that fucker would hold on out of defiance. he owns a club where he wasn't wanted at any point in time by anyone other than david dein.

Wonder what Dein makes of all this now. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on board with ESL too

QuincyAbeyie

No thanks to play-offs. We have many clubs challenging for the Champions League spots now, not sure what needs shaking up there.

Qwiss

GooneriC wrote:
Meatwad wrote:
i hope we don't start any unfounded rumors about kroenke because that fucker would hold on out of defiance. he owns a club where he wasn't wanted at any point in time by anyone other than david dein.

Wonder what Dein makes of all this now. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on board with ESL too

Of course he was. He was dreaming of this when he brought Stan in. You're talking about a central figure in driving forward the creation of the PL.

Qwiss

Claudius wrote:
Meatwad wrote:
if there is some semblance of supporter control (partial like germany or complete like some spanish clubs) there would at least be some checks and balances. real, barca and bayern are as nasty as anyone, actually probably more so and have been that way for decades, but their supporters have way more say than the english defectors. well chelsea's own have a big say because of their unique chelsea pitch owners.

the answer is either supporters controlling 51% or owning the land the ground is on and the team name.

51%
The teams will never get another opportunity like this. They should literally refuse to start next season until a new set of principles is signed. United, Arsenal and Liverpool can’t play each for 38 rounds

But trust me. Time to introduce the playoffs as well. It may sound as American as Kroenke, but will help shake up top 6.

Play offs for a CL spot? No way. I'd rather give it to the cup winners.

Qwiss

GooneriC wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Big Kroenke out protest being organised for Friday before the match.

Need it to be massive and bigger than the Chelsea one , block the stadium off and let them know they aren't wanted louder than ever before

And hopefully pints in the Tolly after.

Claudius

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
No thanks to play-offs. We have many clubs challenging for the Champions League spots now, not sure what needs shaking up there.

I think this season is a bit of an anomaly due to Covid-19. In general, the same 6 clubs compete for 4 spots. And that will continue to happen. Most years, it will be basically be pick 4 from 6. The clubs should not be fooled by the aberration of a single year. Smaller teams are locked out the champions league; and this this where the big 6 create their financial advantage

What I would propose is 1 to 3 qualify. And then 4-7 go into a playoff with two leg semis and one off final

Klaus

Qwiss! wrote:
GooneriC wrote:
Wonder what Dein makes of all this now. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on board with ESL too

Of course he was. He was dreaming of this when he brought Stan in. You're talking about a central figure in driving forward the creation of the PL.

No doubt. It always amazes me how highly people still think of David Dein in general. He picked up his Arsenal shares dirt cheap (£292,000 for 16.6 % of the club!), engineered Premier League and the kind of environment that brought in big investors who assumed ownership of English clubs, and then he went to both Kroenke and Usmanov and tried to convince them to launch a takeover here. Eventually he ended up selling his stock for £75 million.

The only other business where you stand to make a profit like that is conflict minerals, or the heroin trade.

Claudius

Klaus wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Of course he was. He was dreaming of this when he brought Stan in. You're talking about a central figure in driving forward the creation of the PL.

No doubt. It always amazes me how highly people still think of David Dein in general. He picked up his Arsenal shares dirt cheap (£292,000 for 16.6 % of the club!), engineered Premier League and the kind of environment that brought in big investors who assumed ownership of English clubs, and then he went to both Kroenke and Usmanov and tried to convince them to launch a takeover here. Eventually he ended up selling his stock for £75 million.

The only other business where you stand to make a profit like that is conflict minerals, or the heroin trade.

I don’t mind Dein making all the money he did. He happened to be in an industry that was exploding at the right time.

But that he introduced Usnamov and Kroenke, and the way he brought them into the club has destroyed us.

Qwiss

Claudius wrote:
Klaus wrote:
No doubt. It always amazes me how highly people still think of David Dein in general. He picked up his Arsenal shares dirt cheap (£292,000 for 16.6 % of the club!), engineered Premier League and the kind of environment that brought in big investors who assumed ownership of English clubs, and then he went to both Kroenke and Usmanov and tried to convince them to launch a takeover here. Eventually he ended up selling his stock for £75 million.

The only other business where you stand to make a profit like that is conflict minerals, or the heroin trade.

I don’t mind Dein making all the money he did. He happened to be in an industry that was exploding at the right time.

But that he introduced Usnamov and Kroenke, and the way he brought them into the club has destroyed us.

Then his ghoulish son made his living fucking us over.

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