Klaus wrote:

jones wrote:

Also the next coach has to be a fucking dictator. Unacceptable from damn near everyone

You almost want us to appoint Felix Magath, horrible though he is, just to give these assholes a proper shock. Remember that story about how Wolfsburg was on preseason in Austria and he cancelled training and told them he'd take them out for coffee and cake? He just failed to mention that the café was at the top of a mountain and they had to run the whole way. Several players broke down and cried, Grafite puked himself unconscious and had to be picked up by an ambulance, and Magath was running the whole way behind them to make sure no one escaped.

His first demand at Fulham was that they'd build him a pyramid platform in concrete that he could stand on top of and look down on the players every training.

I was actually thinking of that vermin when I wrote the post. His methods were borderline aggravated assault like when he had his squad of 30 run like 5km up a hill and keep only 20 bottles of water ready at the top. Doesn't sound like the most inappropriate approach to reach some of these fuckers.

Can't blame the players, they think the coach is a joke don't believe in his methods and his lineup sends out the wrong message. Pepe was playing into form and he dropped him in the last 2 matches. Its hilarious.

I honestly thought we will win, because no matter how bad we are Southampton is worse and we are at home. I knew even a win won't appease anyone, but now we have no results and no performance to go win. Outshot, outperformed at home against one of the worst teams in the league in dire form. They should have scored 5 or 6 goals, we snatched a draw from the death. It's fucking terrible

Özil and Bellerín must be the only players to have capped for Arsenal in the champions league. Manager aside,
I am looking for keenness on the pitch to succeed at any cost.

Hassenhuttl saying they were the only team playing after the 70th minute.
Humiliating.
Edit: he also said that they could have scored 4 or 5 goals.
This is unacceptable

AAStyle- wrote:

Hassenhuttl saying they were the only team playing after the 70th minute.
Humiliating.
Edit: he also said that they could have scores 4 or 5 goals.
This is unacceptable

Not surprised. Most opponents treat us as joke and can get at us

We have played deep away from home for quite a long time now, certainly for the last couple of seasons of Wenger's reign and for longer than that at clubs with as much quality as Leicester have.

Demarai Gray obviously hasn't been paying attention.

Ricky1985 wrote:

We have played deep away from home for quite a long time now, certainly for the last couple of seasons of Wenger's reign and for longer than that at clubs with as much quality as Leicester have.

Demarai Gray obviously hasn't been paying attention.

Exactly. More than just the last couple of seasons of Wenger's reign. Certainly as far back as when we brought in Mertesacker.

Clrnc hasn't been paying attention, either, or else he would have disregarded it.

Emery saying that we have played our best 20 minutes of the season at the start of the 2nd half.
I am speechless

Actually that was our best 20 minutes of the season

You’re forgetting how shit all the other games have been

deardevil wrote:

Ricky1985 wrote:

We have played deep away from home for quite a long time now, certainly for the last couple of seasons of Wenger's reign and for longer than that at clubs with as much quality as Leicester have.

Demarai Gray obviously hasn't been paying attention.

Exactly. More than just the last couple of seasons of Wenger's reign. Certainly as far back as when we brought in Mertesacker.

Clrnc hasn't been paying attention, either, or else he would have disregarded it.

We're even deeper now though. I used to moan back then about how we conceded ₁₅ yards of space and Arteta dropped so far back sometimes that he was a third centreback, but this is something else entirely. Emery has the whole bloody team sitting, at home, against opponents that are playing marginally better than Derby did in their legendary shithouse season.

I don't think we played too badly, but just like Emery lucked out at the beginning of his tenure with a string of wins that won him time, he has seemingly run out of luck and results are now worse than our performances would suggest.

The team's morale is destroyed and unfortunately the coach needs to step aside for the squad to heal and regain some belief. 5 matches in a row without a win in the league will do that to you if your other performances have been unconvincing.

Ricky1985 wrote:

We have played deep away from home for quite a long time now, certainly for the last couple of seasons of Wenger's reign and for longer than that at clubs with as much quality as Leicester have.

Demarai Gray obviously hasn't been paying attention.

We only sat deep against big teams after we got thrashed time and time again, and against teams away from home after we took the lead. 

These days we setup deep, compact from the get go without any ambitions. It's very different 

I don't blame Emery for the results over the past few weeks, the players are clearly taking the piss now and he's lost the dressing room. A lot of these guys need to take a hard look at themselves.

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Actually that was our best 20 minutes of the season

You’re forgetting how shit all the other games have been

Funnily enough that early second half was decent. We had territory. We seemed to connect passes. It did, however, have a pick-up feel about the attacking with no discernible patterns. And then as usual it fell apart. And we finished the game chaotically.

I agree (funny that you play well when playing your best formation and players), the pen killed us. But Emery is long beyond the point of taking positives from games

Clrnc wrote:

Can't blame the players, they think the coach is a joke don't believe in his methods and his lineup sends out the wrong message. Pepe was playing into form and he dropped him in the last 2 matches. Its hilarious.

I honestly thought we will win, because no matter how bad we are Southampton is worse and we are at home. I knew even a win won't appease anyone, but now we have no results and no performance to go win. Outshot, outperformed at home against one of the worst teams in the league in dire form. They should have scored 5 or 6 goals, we snatched a draw from the death. It's fucking terrible

Of course you can. That the manager doesn't do his job doesn't give the players an excuse to not do theirs. It may not look like it, but Emery is actually trying his best, which is more than can be said about some of the players.

@[deleted] I've seen some who want to give him the rest of the season I guess, but those have been more about the availability of alternatives than believing Emery deserves it.

Aside from Ozil allowing his head to drop in the last 15 mins and a shocking performance from Sok, I didn’t think the players were bad today on an individual level, they certainly worked hard.

I wasn't talking about today in particular to be fair, it was one of our better matches I guess.

goon wrote:

Aside from Ozil allowing his head to drop in the last 15 mins and a shocking performance from Sok, I didn’t think the players were bad today on an individual level, they certainly worked hard.

I have to admit. In the 20+ years I have watched us play. I have never come away with the impression that the players didn't try or care. Yet, I've read this about our performances more times than I care to count. Shit house analysis, I'd say.

RC8 wrote:

I don't think we played too badly, but just like Emery lucked out at the beginning of his tenure with a string of wins that won him time, he has seemingly run out of luck and results are now worse than our performances would suggest.

They had 21 shots to our 12, and while Pepe should have a goal and an assist to his name, we were lucky not to concede a 3rd goal. 

Every week it's shit house performances by players coach and ref. Every single fucking week

deardevil wrote:

goon wrote:

Aside from Ozil allowing his head to drop in the last 15 mins and a shocking performance from Sok, I didn’t think the players were bad today on an individual level, they certainly worked hard.

I have to admit. In the 20+ years I have watched us play. I have never come away with the impression that the players didn't try or care. Yet, I've read this about our performances more times than I care to count. Shit house analysis, I'd say.

Then you should never complain about the players. That would simply mean that they aren't better, and that's not something you should fault them for. Impressive that you've gone 20+ years without seeing the times where our players just stand around instead of following the guy they're supposed to mark.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

deardevil wrote:

I have to admit. In the 20+ years I have watched us play. I have never come away with the impression that the players didn't try or care. Yet, I've read this about our performances more times than I care to count. Shit house analysis, I'd say.

Then you should never complain about the players. That would simply mean that they aren't better, and that's not something you should fault them for. Impressive that you've gone 20+ years without seeing the times where our players just stand around instead of following the guy they're supposed to mark.

Why should you not fault a player for being bad? Why do you feel the need to pathologize a lack of awareness about defensive positioning as some sort of greater moral failing?

Diaby KungFu wrote:

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

Then you should never complain about the players. That would simply mean that they aren't better, and that's not something you should fault them for. Impressive that you've gone 20+ years without seeing the times where our players just stand around instead of following the guy they're supposed to mark.

Why should you not fault a player for being bad? Why do you feel the need to pathologize a lack of awareness about defensive positioning as some sort of greater moral failing?

You could put me on the field and I'd do a horrible job. That would be on the people who put me there. I disagree with deardevil, because our players stop concentrating a lot and just look up into the air while the man they're supposed to mark runs into space. That's on them because you know they're capable of following someone. They may not be able to, but when they don't try to that's not trying their best in my opinion.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

deardevil wrote:

I have to admit. In the 20+ years I have watched us play. I have never come away with the impression that the players didn't try or care. Yet, I've read this about our performances more times than I care to count. Shit house analysis, I'd say.

Then you should never complain about the players. That would simply mean that they aren't better, and that's not something you should fault them for. Impressive that you've gone 20+ years without seeing the times where our players just stand around instead of following the guy they're supposed to mark.

I attribute that to players not being switched on and losing concentration. Not being present in the moment, as opposed to not caring. Why would a football player not care? They are in one of the most cut throat professions in the world. They could lose their spot any second. You aren't going to get that far in the game without being a dedicated professional. In truth, these managers and players care far far more than we could ever do. Say what you want about Emery or whoever, he will be having far more sleepless nights regarding this shit than any us fan boys.

You can't really fault players or managers or whoever for being shit. They are giving their best, most of the time, I would say. So yeah, I agree you shouldn't complain.

Granted, there were some individuals who make you wonder and Denilson was certainly one of them. Regardless, I was talking about our players not caring as a collective after a shit performance.

Yeah, I think people confuse players not being good enough or lacking in certain mental qualities to not caring and not trying. There were some games towards the end of Wenger’s reign where I did question whether or not they were actually trying their best, but never under Emery.

Watched the second half.
Feel life a deflated balloon.

And that despite a last gasp equaliser

I don't even know what to say, that Laca equilizer might end up being more costly for us than Southampton....

As Jones said, there's no way they were on the verge of firing him and then drawing against Southampton changed their mind. If this changed anything, it made the firing come closer.

Can't even blame Emery anymore. He's so out of his depth it's not even funny and should be put out of his misery. Time to look at the board as at the moment they're the ones who are failing this club.

My partner, who knows and cares about little regarding football, was laughing out loud watching us play. It was an absolute disaster.

Jed wrote:

Can't even blame Emery anymore. He's so out of his depth it's not even funny and should be put out of his misery. Time to look at the board as at the moment they're the ones who are failing this club.

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/11/23/arsenal-chairman-sir-chips-keswick-considers-resigning-after-southampton-draw/
The BoD are irrelevant so far as the football operations are concerned = the new structure consisting of the DoF and TD are in charge of the football and it appears they do not answer to the BoD but direct to Josh (who is/was on the BoD along with Stan under the previous structure).  I have no issues with that as the BoD have no clue about football and wanted to bring in O'Leary as a consultant and to have the DoF & Co basically answer to him.  IMO they should have done so over a decade ago after the move - now Keswick & Co can all go ahead and resign for all the good it will do.

goon wrote:

Yeah, I think people confuse players not being good enough or lacking in certain mental qualities to not caring and not trying. There were some games towards the end of Wenger’s reign where I did question whether or not they were actually trying their best, but never under Emery.

Have you seen our players in the Leicester match? After 1 goal down most of them were strolling. 

Not that it makes much of a difference after the performance but the ball was still moving when Bertrand played the free kick to Ings for Sotons first goal yesterday. That's 100% exactly the kind of decision VAR would call against us if it were us scoring.

jones wrote:

Not that it makes much of a difference after the performance but the ball was still moving when Bertrand played the free kick to Ings for Sotons first goal yesterday. That's 100% exactly the kind of decision VAR would call against us if it were us scoring.

Apparently it's not in VAR's scope of use to check re-starts.
Here I was thinking that it was supposed to identify clear and obvious errors = not much point if it's only going to be making decisions on shit that is beyond the capability of the human eye re offsides etc.

Just want to enjoy watching our games and feel some pride

Seeing guys like Sokratis, Chambers, Luiz and co week in week out is soul destroying

Anzac wrote:

jones wrote:

Not that it makes much of a difference after the performance but the ball was still moving when Bertrand played the free kick to Ings for Sotons first goal yesterday. That's 100% exactly the kind of decision VAR would call against us if it were us scoring.

Apparently it's not in VAR's scope of use to check re-starts.
Here I was thinking that it was supposed to identify clear and obvious errors = not much point if it's only going to be making decisions on shit that is beyond the capability of the human eye re offsides etc.

Would a penalty be considered a re-start? Because VAR made Leicester retake a penalty due to encroachment.