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Champions League 19/20

Klaus

Look at that movement from Remo Freuler. Always said we bought the wrong Swiss midfielder.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

I'm glad we're not in the CL in our current state.

Klaus

Claudius wrote:
Klaus wrote:
4-3 Atalanta. Josip Ilicic with his 4th for the night. Just going about business as usual.

Guy’s been incredible this season
By the way, not enough credit is given to a manager who has evolved his ideas to give us this free flowing style of football. Will have to watch tomorrow.

He has literally done it on a relegation team budget too. I think Atalanta's wage bill is less than 40 million. They had to sell their best defender this summer to make money and their striker (and star player) has been out injured for most of the season. Gasperini should get manager of the year regardless of what happens. He won't of course, but doing what he's doing in Bergamo is harder than doing what Klopp is doing with Liverpool.

QuincyAbeyie

Klaus wrote:
Always said we bought the wrong Swiss midfielder.

Freuler played for Luzern and hadn't even gotten a minute for Switzerland at the time we bought Xhaka, very impressive if you actually said that at the time.

Klaus

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Always said we bought the wrong Swiss midfielder.

Freuler played for Luzern and hadn't even gotten a minute for Switzerland at the time we bought Xhaka, very impressive if you actually said that at the time.

Hmm, I might get the years mixed up. Didn't he move to Atalanta the same summer we bought Xhaka? I'd seen neither of them at the time, but it didn't take long to realise how shit Xhaka is.

At any rate, Freuler is twice the player.

Klaus

FT. 4-3 Atalanta. 8-4 on aggregate. Good stuff on display tonight.

Claudius

Hahahaha. This is the end of the road for Spurs. Good luck to them this summer. Let’s see if they can play general manager

Klaus

I can't wait for Mourinho's post-match interview now.

MistaT

Odd hearing just a few voices celebrating these goals. Feels like you're watching U21 games.

Klaus

Also, let's take a moment to remember this wisdom from Chiellini because it's still so good:

Claudius

Based on how the German teams have hosed Chelsea and Spurs; we can safely say the chasing pack in England is very weak.

Mourinho says tonight’s exit “probably is good” for the future. He’s blaming injuries. Says won’t rebuild the squad.

Jed

Tonight was a good night.

Gazza M

Klaus wrote:
Also, let's take a moment to remember this wisdom from Chiellini because it's still so good:

Arguably the best put down in football history

I'm so glad these injuries hit spurs. Not only does it hurt theur results, but it will cause jose to meltdown faster and lash out at people

QuincyAbeyie

Klaus wrote:
Claudius wrote:
Guy’s been incredible this season
By the way, not enough credit is given to a manager who has evolved his ideas to give us this free flowing style of football. Will have to watch tomorrow.

He has literally done it on a relegation team budget too. I think Atalanta's wage bill is less than 40 million. They had to sell their best defender this summer to make money and their striker (and star player) has been out injured for most of the season. Gasperini should get manager of the year regardless of what happens. He won't of course, but doing what he's doing in Bergamo is harder than doing what Klopp is doing with Liverpool.

They actually spent the least money in Serie A this season (net) and that's in a league with much less money than the PL. Not sure if I agree that he should win it regardless of what happens though. Maybe what he's doing is harder than what Klopp is doing with Liverpool, I don't know, but there may be managers in lower leagues doing things more difficult as well. Nobody's talking about them because it's not just about having the toughest achievement, actually winning things is important as well. If Klopp wins the CL and the league it'd be crazy not to give it to him.

Sicario

Is Jose finished?

QuincyAbeyie

Has been for a long time.

Klaus

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Klaus wrote:
He has literally done it on a relegation team budget too. I think Atalanta's wage bill is less than 40 million. They had to sell their best defender this summer to make money and their striker (and star player) has been out injured for most of the season. Gasperini should get manager of the year regardless of what happens. He won't of course, but doing what he's doing in Bergamo is harder than doing what Klopp is doing with Liverpool.

They actually spent the least money in Serie A this season (net) and that's in a league with much less money than the PL. Not sure if I agree that he should win it regardless of what happens though. Maybe what he's doing is harder than what Klopp is doing with Liverpool, I don't know, but there may be managers in lower leagues doing things more difficult as well. Nobody's talking about them because it's not just about having the toughest achievement, actually winning things is important as well. If Klopp wins the CL and the league it'd be crazy not to give it to him.

I think mostly people don't talk about it because our idea of achievement is completely geared towards top clubs and big trophies. I understand why someone would give it to Klopp, maybe particularly this year where Liverpool's win percentage is so crazy, but I've always disagreed with the top heavy focus in football. I think any award worth its name should at least partly reflect the fact that competition is a question of means, not just trophies. We already have the literal trophies to give to the winners.

QuincyAbeyie

I think it's hard because the question then is how far down do we go. Maybe there's someone keeping their club in the Championship on a League Two budget, I have no idea.

Sicario

Klaus wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
They actually spent the least money in Serie A this season (net) and that's in a league with much less money than the PL. Not sure if I agree that he should win it regardless of what happens though. Maybe what he's doing is harder than what Klopp is doing with Liverpool, I don't know, but there may be managers in lower leagues doing things more difficult as well. Nobody's talking about them because it's not just about having the toughest achievement, actually winning things is important as well. If Klopp wins the CL and the league it'd be crazy not to give it to him.

I think mostly people don't talk about it because our idea of achievement is completely geared towards top clubs and big trophies. I understand why someone would give it to Klopp, maybe particularly this year where Liverpool's win percentage is so crazy, but I've always disagreed with the top heavy focus in football. I think any award worth its name should at least partly reflect the fact that competition is a question of means, not just trophies. We already have the literal trophies to give to the winners.

Shef Utd manager should be given manager of the year if they finish in a Europa League (or better) position then

Klaus

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
I think it's hard because the question then is how far down do we go. Maybe there's someone keeping their club in the Championship on a League Two budget, I have no idea.

Me neither, but I'd love to know. I personally think it would be a lot more interesting than seeing Zidane and Guardiola lazily rake home another trophy for no other reason than having more money than virtually anyone else.

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