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Deadline Day thread (Arsenal + Non Arsenal)

jones

Klaus wrote:
jones wrote:
Come on Klaus cheer up stop being so negative mate, this is easily the best window we've had in a decade

Too many unknowns (and a few knowns...) for me to be comfortable, plus we haven't fixed the biggest problem area. We'll see where we're at when everything has been said and done though.

Fair enough. To be honest although I was trying to honestly cheer you up I was mostly trying to fit in my quip about your people celebrating with exploding fish cans

Klaus

Ricky1985 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
I'm thinking Chambers + the money we'll get from selling Iwobi to Everton. That would make more sense for Iwobi too, who I don't think is too keen to join Palace.

The only way I can see Palace selling is if they get Iwobi in return. It's too late for them to get anyone else of a similar quality this late.

Unless they have been planning for this eventuality for a while and have someone lined up. But I've heard nothing and the fact that they allowed Allain Saint-Maximin to go to Newcastle last week gives me the impression they didn't anticipate the transfer request from Zaha.

You're probably right. Looking at their transfers they've only gotten four players in this summer, and two of them are free transfers (Gary Cahill and a goalkeeper who last sat on the bench for Nottingham). The other two are Jordan Ayew and James McCarthy. Not a lot of attacking bang for those bucks.

QuincyAbeyie

Zaha seems like a stupid or douchey guy. Signs a shiny new long-term contract and then puts in a transfer request when they won't let him go. Would like to see have him anyway, although does he favor the left or right side?

Klaus

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Klaus wrote:
What doesn't quite make sense to me is that we're bringing him in as a desperate last-minute grab if we have no intention of starting him. But we'll see soon enough.

To me having the intention of starting him doesn't equal to keep starting him even if Chambers proves to be the better option.

Yes, but seriously Quincy, my objection isn't that we're bringing in Bob to maybe make up the numbers. It's that we're bringing in Bob as the only reinforcement of a useless central defence. The fact that I think Chambers is better doesn't mean I think Chambers should start either. Do you honestly not see the issue, or why are we still arguing about this?

Coombs

Left.

Klaus

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Zaha seems like a stupid or douchey guy. Signs a shiny new long-term contract and then puts in a transfer request when they won't let him go. Would like to see have him anyway, although does he favor the left or right side?

Left, like Coombs says, so we could play both him and Pepe in their natural positions.

Temo

Sky Sports reporting Jean-Kevin Augustin to Palace rumors.

And that Zaha missed training yesterday, too. It's more likely precautionary from his camp I think, in case a deal goes through and he has to run to sign and complete a medical.

goon

Luiz played more through balls in the league than any other player last season. Guy is genuinely the best CB on the ball that I've seen.

With him and Chambers as options our passing out the back should hopefully go up a level.

Claudius

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Zaha seems like a stupid or douchey guy. Signs a shiny new long-term contract and then puts in a transfer request when they won't let him go. Would like to see have him anyway, although does he favor the left or right side?

Sure it limited his options for charting his own destiny, but it guaranteed money in the pocket for several years. The downside of not signing the contract is finding yourself injured and without a contract like Welbeck. That’s many millions of pounds farted away.

Kel Varnsen

I'd keep Iwobi. He's inefficient, but I think he'd do very well if he's surrounded by better players (such as Tierney and Ceballos). Iwobi is a clever pass and move type of player who would benefit from quicker passing and more passing options around him.

Ricky1985

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Time to go, Mo.

Klaus

goon wrote:
Luiz played more through balls in the league than any other player last season. Guy is genuinely the best CB on the ball that I've seen.

With him and Chambers as options our passing out the back should hopefully go up a level.

Rugani is decent on the ball too, and Mustafi, for all of his faults, knows how to pass it out from the back too. I assume the same is true for Upamecano. Also seems like the main reason we haven't sold Chambers this summer; his distribution was key in the game against Barcelona. It definitely seems like an important feature for any defenders we're looking at.

Ricky1985

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Not that it's really a scoop at this point, but it is legit.

Meatwad

Clrnc wrote:
Celtic fans on social media needs to get real and accept they are a much smaller club than us. Lennon sutton and brown are happy for him which says it all. Dont get why they are so upset. Who would stay in the one club league?

they clearly have an over-inflated opinion of themselves. they usually lose players to southampton, at least they can say it's one of the top clubs in the world this time.

goon

Klaus wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
To me having the intention of starting him doesn't equal to keep starting him even if Chambers proves to be the better option.

Yes, but seriously Quincy, my objection isn't that we're bringing in Bob to maybe make up the numbers. It's that we're bringing in Bob as the only reinforcement of a useless central defence. The fact that I think Chambers is better doesn't mean I think Chambers should start either. Do you honestly not see the issue, or why are we still arguing about this?

I think it's just a case of being realistic. We've committed £140m on incoming players over the past month, so someone like Upamecano always felt like a bit of a pipe dream. You could argue we should have spent less on a winger or signed a defender now rather than for a year down the line, but personally I think I'm happy with our approach.

Claudius

Kel Varnsen wrote:
I'd keep Iwobi. He's inefficient, but I think he'd do very well if he's surrounded by better players (such as Tierney and Ceballos). Iwobi is a clever pass and move type of player who would benefit from quicker passing and more passing options around him.

The whole team will benefit. We need to be able to build attacks more confidently with 6 or 7 quick passes. Aim should be to get more movement up front to get create open chances. I’m excited for the season

Ricky1985

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TambourineMan

Think we're done. Good window all in all tbh.

Klaus

goon wrote:
I think it's just a case of being realistic. We've committed £140m on incoming players over the past month, so someone like Upamecano always felt like a bit of a pipe dream. You could argue we should have spent less on a winger or signed a defender now rather than for a year down the line, but personally I think I'm happy with our approach.

We bid £60 million for Upamecano though and then landed Luiz instead. If the money was there, how come we didn't go in a more forceful and planned way for a defender of real quality who can contribute this season? Why did we leave it so late? Why hasn't it been an absolute priority this summer considering what the last two seasons have looked like?

If we're pulling off a late-hour deal for Zaha I could understand reallocating that cash, but getting Luiz and then closing shop - after losing Iwobi on top of it who's our best left winger - would be hard for me to stomach.

Mirth

Klaus wrote:
goon wrote:
I think it's just a case of being realistic. We've committed £140m on incoming players over the past month, so someone like Upamecano always felt like a bit of a pipe dream. You could argue we should have spent less on a winger or signed a defender now rather than for a year down the line, but personally I think I'm happy with our approach.

We bid £60 million for Upamecano though and then landed Luiz instead. If the money was there, how come we didn't go in a more forceful and planned way for a defender of real quality who can contribute this season? Why did we leave it so late? Why hasn't it been an absolute priority this summer considering what the last two seasons have looked like?

There is obviously the caveat that timelines and the information we have is incomplete - there could be an answer to all those questions, we just don't know them.

I don't think we've ignored defence like in previous seasons considering we signed Saliba, Tierney and, finally, Luiz. There's nothing to suggest we won't go all out next summer either - it's not ideal but I do think the club have genuinely tried, which is a nice change.

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