I agree, ESR looks good but he's not a once in a generation talent.

Yeah give them ESR and insert a buy back clause

deardevil wrote:

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

Rumours that Leipzig want ESR included in a Upamecano deal. I always hate getting rid of young talents, and would rather pay extra, but if it's ESR or no deal then I think I'd have to say yes.

ESR is unlikely to make it as a first teamer, so include him into any deal.

The question you have to ask yourself is can one of these two men change our trajectory? I strongly believe one of them will while the other is still a question mark. 

Now the trick is in valuation. The Red Bull empire is a finishing factory so they will probably have both a good sense of what ESR can achieve and be able to give him the minutes between Leipzig and Salzburg. So they might already see a 25m pound player while we only see a 15m pound makeweight. But if we accept that the value differential is dependent on their inherent capabilities to exploit the player and increase the probability he achieve his potential, then we might have to accept it. 

I'd rather give them Guendouzi than Smith-Rowe if we're giving away youngsters.

Edit: But goon is right, just pay them instead. If we can bid £60 million for him we can pile on another £10 million too without going bankrupt.

It's a no from me. How much are Leipzig going to value ESR, £5m, £10m at most? Just pay up. Kid will be worth 3-4 times that with even average development at Leipzig.

Klaus wrote:

I'd rather give them Guendouzi than Smith-Rowe if we're giving away youngsters.

Edit: But goon is right, just pay them instead. If we can bid £60 million for him we can pile on another £10 million too without going bankrupt.

If you can do it with an ESR loan, even better for all involved. Send him out there for 2 years. He can come back with hair on his chest. 
Guendouzi will replace Xhaka in the next 24 months. Why would you send him away? 

They want him on loan. Just do it

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mdgoonah41 wrote:

this one is going to get done. welcome to arsenal

Fingers crossed - they're open to a deal so hopefully Raul swings in

Claudius wrote:

Guendouzi will replace Xhaka in the next 24 months. Why would you send him away? 

Because that's what I'm worried about. He looks like another Xhaka to me in that position. Bloke has all the makings of an attacking midfielder and zero of the intelligence and discipline that's needed at the base of central midfield.

Klaus wrote:

Claudius wrote:

Guendouzi will replace Xhaka in the next 24 months. Why would you send him away? 

Because that's what I'm worried about. He looks like another Xhaka to me in that position. Bloke has all the makings of an attacking midfielder and zero of the intelligence and discipline that's needed at the base of central midfield.

Interesting. We should discuss it further as the season progresses. I see him as a B2B who will develop a good variety of passes, have quicker ball releases than Xhaka and is more athletic. He will need to improve his toughness and defensive work, but I think he can learn. 

But back to Upamecano. If we are to say the top young defenders (u22) are guys like De Ligt, Konate, Upamecano, Dias, Diop, Saliba, etc, then there is a high likelihood that we could sign 2 of the top 10 young/upcoming defenders in the world in one summer. Crazy

Loaning them Smith-Rowe would make the deal even sweeter for me. Please make this happen, Raul!

This is all just so exciting. It seems like all the deals we used to invent on here; get this youngster he's going to be great, or nab that left back because we need one, get him in on loan to bolster us, send them this or that young player for a year to sweeten the deal, etc. It's not fantasy any more. Arsenal are making all these smart moves to get difficult deals done for highly sought after players on a limited budget.

It's magic. Thoroughly impressed if we get this boy in.

Ricky1985 wrote:

This is all just so exciting. It seems like all the deals we used to invent on here; get this youngster he's going to be great, or nab that left back because we need one, get him in on loan to bolster us, send them this or that young player for a year to sweeten the deal, etc. It's not fantasy any more. Arsenal are making all these smart moves to get difficult deals done for highly sought after players on a limited budget.

It's magic. Thoroughly impressed if we get this boy in.

In a minute we’re all gonna wake up with Wenger and Pat Rice standing at the end of the bed staring at us

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Ricky1985 wrote:

This is all just so exciting. It seems like all the deals we used to invent on here; get this youngster he's going to be great, or nab that left back because we need one, get him in on loan to bolster us, send them this or that young player for a year to sweeten the deal, etc. It's not fantasy any more. Arsenal are making all these smart moves to get difficult deals done for highly sought after players on a limited budget.

It's magic. Thoroughly impressed if we get this boy in.

In a minute we’re all gonna wake up with Wenger and Pat Rice standing at the end of the bed staring at us

More like Dick Law and Gazidis: the real culprits for our shitty transfers.

Please bring him in.

Also, no to an ESR sale.

Definitely don't sell Smith-Rowe. I think Emery rates him too, so doubt we'll be seeing him leave on a permanent deal.

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Ricky1985 wrote:

This is all just so exciting. It seems like all the deals we used to invent on here; get this youngster he's going to be great, or nab that left back because we need one, get him in on loan to bolster us, send them this or that young player for a year to sweeten the deal, etc. It's not fantasy any more. Arsenal are making all these smart moves to get difficult deals done for highly sought after players on a limited budget.

It's magic. Thoroughly impressed if we get this boy in.

In a minute we’re all gonna wake up with Wenger and Pat Rice standing at the end of the bed staring at us