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Ricky1985

goon wrote:
I reckon AWB is a perfect example of what you're talking about Ricky. Great 1v1 defender for Palace where that particular skill was utiliased regularly during games but at United where demands are different it's accentuated the areas where he is lacking.

Yes, exactly. Two players at different ends of the fullback spectrum.

Arnold will never play for a team as bad as Crystal Palace, though, that's the difference. And that's why most top teams lean towards fullbacks at the attacking end of said spectrum.

If you're a good enough team to allow for a rank bad defender then you take the attacking advantages, but it will always catch up with you either because your team can't sustain that level or you face a team that's as good as you even at your best.

We, as in Arsenal, would be infinitely better off right now, for example, with Wan-Bissaka at right back over Maitland-Niles or, even worse, Alexander-Arnold, but looking forward, Wan-Bissaka wouldn't have enough in an attacking sense to play in a team I'd want us to build.

MuswellHillGooner

Ricky1985 wrote:
Muswell Hill Gooner wrote:
I cannot even detect the deflection as the trajectory of the ball doesn't change.
If it changed, it may have been by a centimetre maximum and that is not much lower and more central.
The pace beat the keeper who would only have saved it if it hit him as by the time he reacted, the net was bulging.
I assume you saw a forensic replay in super slow-mo but, even then, you picking that goal as an example of fortune favouring them is truly bizarre.
I wouldn't have had an argument if you used the disallowed Chelsea goal as I'm not a VAR enthusiast.

Nope, not a forensic replay, I just have good eyes for a deflection and this is a big one.

It's one of those rare times when most of the of the camera angles don't pick it up very well because it happens very soon after the ball is hit and players happen to be blocking the view from most angles. As a result the ball sped up and moved higher and to the right. Considerably so. Take my word for it, or don't. Either way, that's what happened.

As for Liverpool being lucky: I didn't watch the game and, as we were playing at the same time, I couldn't care less, but the first goal is always important, and in the League right now, things seem to be going their way.

I just hope it ends and soon. A few injuries to key players would do the job nicely. They can't get lucky with van Dijk and Salah staying fit forever.

Not going to argue with that as I don't care enough about Liverpool when we are not playing them.
My opinion is their efforts these past two seasons are catching up to them and the dip is coming. City are guaranteed the title and I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool end up with nothing. Their fans are already criticising Salah for being selfish, Allison is broken, Fabinho is on a slump, van Dijk and Robertson are being beaten every week and TAA is still weak defensively. What is not in question though is his passing and his free-kicks. That goal is not something out of the ordinary as we have seen him score similar goals and he is going to continue scoring many more as he uses technique as Ginola pointed out.

Ricky1985

Hasn't he only ever scored one freekick? The one against Watford, which you have posted. I must have missed all these banging goals you're referring to?

Also, I don't agree that his technique is so good that success is guaranteed. His ball striking isn't compact enough to consistently get it up and over a wall. It's much better suited to long distant striking like the Watford freekick. Hence, the lay off and smash yesterday as opposed to trying to whip it over the wall. The great freekick takers--those that score consistently--do so because they put enough action on the ball to get it up and over a wall from close in and into the corner the goalkeeper isn't.

I remember having a similar discussion about Podolski when he curled a freekick in from 30 yards in one of his first games here and I said then his technique meant he wouldn't do that regularly. And he never scored another for us. Similar technique actually:

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As for Liverpool fans, I'm not sure what they are moaning about to be honest. They've won 15 Premier League games in a row. They are a well-oiled machine that will, injuries permitting, keep on churning out results for this season, would be my guess. I just hope they don't manage to go unbeaten.

MuswellHillGooner

Ricky1985 wrote:
Hasn't he only ever scored one freekick? The one against Watford, which you have posted. I must have missed all these banging goals you're referring to?

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I don't know but I with that technique I will be surprised if he hasn't.

after checking google

He hasn't got many as most of his free-kicks are crosses.
Also please point out where I stated "all these banging goals" so I can correct myself.

Ricky1985

You said that goal wasn't out of the ordinary and that there would be many more to come because he had scored similar goals before, no?

He hasn't and it is, in fact, quite out of the ordinary.

Also, he takes lots of direct freekicks as Liverpool win a lot more than the Premier League average and he takes a high proportion of them, so most of his freekicks being crosses is not the reason for not scoring.

MuswellHillGooner

Pointing out his potential for future goals is not quite the same thing though, is it?

That goal is not something out of the ordinary as we have seen him score similar goals and he is going to continue scoring many more as he uses technique as Ginola pointed out.

Ricky1985

You said in the previous post you assumed with his technique that he would have scored other freekicks/great strikes. He hasn't. So your claiming that the deflection for his goal against Chelsea was unimportant because he scores similar goals occasionally/semi-regularly/regularly (pick whichever one you were implying) and therefore his technique is proven beyond question (and because David Ginola says so) was not correct. It flew in the top corner yesterday at a rate of knots because it took a large deflection, not because Alexander-Arnold does that regularly with his freekick/ball-striking technique.

And because the track record of scoring freekicks/great strikes does not exist, the sole basis you have for confidently stating he will "continue" to score more freekicks/great strikes in the future is the opinion of one David Ginola.

I'll go with my own analysis in that case.

MuswellHillGooner

Edited:
You are continuing to ignore this part?

... he is going to continue scoring many more as he uses technique ...

Undisputable facts are TAA's skill as I've provided visual evidence and expert contribution (Ginola) which you haven't properly challenged.
Your own analysis is just your opinion, so far, in this discussion.
As for the goal, nobody can say it wasn't was all about technique.
The deflection you keep highlighting was inconsequential as the point of it was to block or stop the goal-bound effort which it didn't.
Even without the failed effort, it was on target and going in, which it did.

jones

Muswell Hill Gooner wrote:
Edited:
You are continuing to ignore this part?

... he is going to continue scoring many more as he uses technique ...

Undisputable facts

Ricky1985

Muswell Hill Gooner wrote:
Edited:
You are continuing to ignore this part?

... he is going to continue scoring many more as he uses technique ...

Undisputable facts are TAA's skill as I've provided visual evidence and expert contribution (Ginola) which you haven't properly challenged.
Your own analysis is just your opinion, so far, in this discussion.
As for the goal, nobody can say it wasn't was all about technique.
The deflection you keep highlighting was inconsequential as the point of it was to block or stop the goal-bound effort which it didn't.
Even without the failed effort, it was on target and going in, which it did.

😆

Ginola is an expert? Okay, Jamie Redknapp, Gary Neville and Alan Shearer are experts too then?

And now you're an expert on ball flight mechanics because you can seemingly predict with great accuracy where a football will fly based on only a metre or two of travel.

What do you mean when you say he will continue to score many more because he uses "technique"? Does not someone that hits the ball very hard use technique? Roberto Carlos had some sort of mixed martial arts, free style that rejected such lowly labels as technique because he hit the ball very hard?

I will now provide the same level of evidence as you to prove, conclusively, that John Jensen was in fact a wonderful striker of the ball. And although I can't presently locate it, I am convinced that he must have some showreel and no doubt went on to score many more goals like this for Arsenal. Such was the quality of that strike. Which he hit with "the technique" and was clearly going in 1.5cm after it left his big toe.

Update: I've emailed David Ginola and he has confirmed the boy, Jensen, is going to be a star. And, as you know, he is an expert.

MuswellHillGooner

It should be noted that you are not making any attempt to disprove the evidence as you have nothing but your TAA blind spot.
As for jones taking the piss, no point wasting my time with a guy who doesn't even know who our biggest rivals are.

jones

😆 for someone who doesn't half pull his punches you sure are thin skinned.

MuswellHillGooner

Makes two of us given the moaning we heard from you in regards to the last couple of match threads ;D

MuswellHillGooner

Anyway, had my fill of Liverpool talk.
Back to the fun stuff

Captain

Sad thing is that we'll probably go and lose to them next week.

Lingard hattrick.

Bold Tone

It takes a special kind of horrid to be more annoying than Dele Alli and Lingard manages to be just that.

Claudius

Liverpool doing their best not to score. Southampton giving it a go. Every liverpool game I watch really makes me question Emery’s tactics against them. Teams are rarely as timid as we were with our counter attack plan.

QuincyAbeyie

The shirts do look like Southampton's, I'll give you that.

Claudius

Sorry Sheffield. Lol.
They’ve been brave. Been coming down the sides, exploiting the obvious spaces that Liverpool always leave when their fullbacks attack. Particularly out left with Stevens and McBurnie in the spaces TAA leaves. This is the bravery we were missing

deardevil

Claudius wrote:
Liverpool doing their best not to score. Southampton giving it a go. Every liverpool game I watch really makes me question Emery’s tactics against them. Teams are rarely as timid as we were with our counter attack plan.

Aaaaaand all of those non-timid teams lost too.

I really don't care for Emery, but I'm turning into an apologist, as the guy just can't win.

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