Big Willie wrote:This hasn't been handled well but he has age on his side and past performances to back up the idea that he'll come good eventually (assuming the reason for his exclusion is performance in training related). That he's young means that time is on his side to turn things around.
I'm not worried for the long-term either, I'm just annoyed that we're seemingly making the road there as hard as possible.
Quincy Abeyie wrote:Big Willie wrote:This hasn't been handled well but he has age on his side and past performances to back up the idea that he'll come good eventually (assuming the reason for his exclusion is performance in training related). That he's young means that time is on his side to turn things around.
I'm not worried for the long-term either, I'm just annoyed that we're seemingly making the road there as hard as possible.
It's likely Sok, Chambers, Luiz will be gone next year in which case saliba will get lots of games.
Quincy Abeyie wrote:Big Willie wrote:This hasn't been handled well but he has age on his side and past performances to back up the idea that he'll come good eventually (assuming the reason for his exclusion is performance in training related). That he's young means that time is on his side to turn things around.
I'm not worried for the long-term either, I'm just annoyed that we're seemingly making the road there as hard as possible.
You get the sense we wouldn't have seen gabriel for months had luiz, mustafi and mari not had fitness problems as well. When you sink 20m+ into defender its in your best interest to get them up to speed as quickly as possible
Gazza M wrote:Quincy Abeyie wrote:I'm not worried for the long-term either, I'm just annoyed that we're seemingly making the road there as hard as possible.
You get the sense we wouldn't have seen gabriel for months had luiz, mustafi and mari not had fitness problems as well. When you sink 20m+ into defender its in your best interest to get them up to speed as quickly as possible
If that's the case then Arteta needs to be blamed, because in training its very easy to see their respective levels.
It's kind of annoying that by the time Saliba comes good his contract will probably need to be renewed, the road there is such a waste of time when it shouldnt have been the case. He should never be behind Mustafi in the pecking order unless he is League 1 level.
Reading through Arteta's comments about him, pretty sure its physicality he is worried about.
Claudius wrote:Kel Varnsen wrote:This and the Pepe signing have the potential to become some of the worst signings ever at Arsenal.
It’s still very early days on this kid. He’s 19. We just need to get his career on track.
The key with this stuff is to forget the transfer fee once it’s happened. And look forward. Looking forward what do you have? You have a highly rated 19 year old with Ligue 1 experience. Get him games and take it from there. It’s a different starting point from Pépé who is a 25 year old who is struggling to get consistency within and across games with issues around fundamentals that aren’t being overcome by his flashes of brilliance. That to me sounds like a potential12th man, not a key piece of the starting lineup.
Yes, it's early, but the fact that he's not playing is very unusual. That and Arteta's comments are clear signs that something is not right. Everything might work out in the end, but so far this transfer has been a complete waste of money.
i guess the only good thing is that they're paying like 5m a year for him.
Meatwad wrote:i guess the only good thing is that they're paying like 5m a year for him.
Which is another reason they can take time with him and not rush to integrate him based of his fee.
There were rumors a while back Saliba's mother had passed, but now it appears he lost both parents.
Bloody hell. All the best to the bloke. Wonder what we can do to show him support. Must be an awful time.
We showed him support by not throwing him in the deep end and seeing him possibly get exposed to our toxic fanbase. Then we shat on club for it.
Fair. It's hard to know what's happening, and the club / player really aren't obligated to tell us everything as much as the new social media era makes fans think they're entitled to know everything
Very tragic. Hope he's given enough time off to go back to France whenever he needs to, particularly now that he doesn't have any first team commitments
Just awful and condolences to the lad. Saliba may be in a shook reality so I hope the club makes every effort to nurture him in this time. I'm not sure a loan(or any football) is the answer but certainly a leave of absence.
Nice to see a bit more perspective in the posts above. At the end of the day, Saliba is a 19 year old kid. Hope he's got good supports around him and that the club are part of that.
Hope the senior players can show him loadsa support too. You can say all the shit about em but they look a happy loving bunch.
Daz wrote:Nice to see a bit more perspective in the posts above. At the end of the day, Saliba is a 19 year old kid. Hope he's got good supports around him and that the club are part of that.
As long as you don’t go too far above. You don’t even have to go back a page to see him being branded as possibly the worst signing we’ve ever made.
Then again, it was only five or six posts ago we thought he had only lost one parent, maybe now we know he had lost the other, albeit a few years ago, the kid might be afforded a bit of time before we start counting how much we’re throwing away on his salary.
Mirth wrote:Very tragic. Hope he's given enough time off to go back to France whenever he needs to, particularly now that he doesn't have any first team commitments
It's abit misleading but it was 2018.
Bosscielny wrote:Daz wrote:Nice to see a bit more perspective in the posts above. At the end of the day, Saliba is a 19 year old kid. Hope he's got good supports around him and that the club are part of that.
As long as you don’t go too far above. You don’t even have to go back a page to see him being branded as possibly the worst signing we’ve ever made.
Then again, it was only five or six posts ago we thought he had only lost one parent, maybe now we know he had lost the other, albeit a few years ago, the kid might be afforded a bit of time before we start counting how much we’re throwing away on his salary.
Amen! Or how incompetent the entire Arsenal coaching and scouting planet is.
Such a harsh fate for one who otherwise seems to have it made in life. You've got to count your blessings in this world.
Arteta confirms it’s both personal and professional issues that have been the issue, but sounds much more positive. Unless he’s suddenly going to leap frog Holding, Luiz and Chambers I think we’re better off loaning him for six months, preferably to a PL or Championship side.
Thanks for sharing - hopefully we can now put this myth about him being bust to bed.
Not ready and needing a loan for another transition year doesn't equate to being a bust
goon wrote:Arteta confirms it’s both personal and professional issues that have been the issue, but sounds much more positive. Unless he’s suddenly going to leap frog Holding, Luiz and Chambers I think we’re better off loaning him for six months, preferably to a PL or Championship side.
Considering our dire state and the performances of all our CBs bar Gabriel could he really be worse than them?
Absolute stupidity not selecting him for the Europa cup squad.
Does lead to question marks over Arteta's decision making.
Agree not having him in the Europa squad is madness. Think people are being very harsh on Rob Holding all of a sudden though. He's been mostly pretty solid this season.
He has but with Holding my feeling is this is his best, he won't get any better. If that is the case then his ceiling isn't high enough to be in our first XI.
He's been managed badly whatever the circumstances and I think as a young player Arteta should have anticipated his improvement and given him that incentive and hope that he could actually play. But what's done is done, I think that's a clear example of Arteta inexperience on these matters.
As qs says though I don't think our centre backs have been bad, or our defence for that matter. We have the 4th best defensive record in the league and that's despite attacking with numbers.
Qwiss! wrote:Agree not having him in the Europa squad is madness. Think people are being very harsh on Rob Holding all of a sudden though. He's been mostly pretty solid this season.
He's decent do doubt, Top teams target getting runners in behind him all the time. It's a super easy way to beak us down.
Qwiss! wrote:Agree not having him in the Europa squad is madness. Think people are being very harsh on Rob Holding all of a sudden though. He's been mostly pretty solid this season.
It's absolutely insane. I think Arteta is far too cautious with youth players anyway. He barely played many in Carabao too.
Clrnc wrote:Qwiss! wrote:Agree not having him in the Europa squad is madness. Think people are being very harsh on Rob Holding all of a sudden though. He's been mostly pretty solid this season.
It's absolutely insane. I think Arteta is far too cautious with youth players anyway. He barely played many in Carabao too.
Its frustrating as the amount of young talent coming through is the only exiting thing about us at the moment.
None of our young players make me sit up apart from Martinelli. Who knows what sort of player he will become after such a serious injury and all that lost time? Besides he’s essentially a first team player now.
Talk he may be sold
How bizarre a signing this has turned out to be. At least with Park or Bischoff there wasn't any hope or big expectations.
The bizarre thing about it all is Arteta, and serious question marks over whether he is the right man to lead a club who relies on developing young players. He’s far too risk averse and cautious.
The whole Saliba affair is curious. Is this why Raul has been fired?
I really don't think one needs to see too much of Saliba to know his quality, and that he's probably favorable to achieve the kind of reputation and foothold that the likes of Umtiti or Varane have in the national side. So whatever is going on or sounds like may happen, his quality and potential will be down the list of reasons for me.
No idea about Raul, but the transfer value for Saliba never seemed inflated for me.
He's not even been give Europa League or League Cup games. I would guess non-footballing reasons are at play.
@lorddulaarsenal wrote:Talk he may be sold
Pretty houseboat source. Edu and arteta are on the dunce list if they sell a 25m player before he even sets foot in the first team
Yeah there's no way they'll do that unless he's been caught doing drugs or something.
Saliba will get loaned out in January, and when he returns in the summer or a year from now or whenever it might or might not be Arteta who's still managing Arsenal. Either way the club has invested too much time and money in him already to just let Art chuck him out.
Madness , this guy can't be worse than what we have bar Gabriel. Why on earth would we sell without giving him a chance?
