Bristol have a new manager this year though. I really liked Lee Johnson and thought it was a shame that they sacked him.

Klaus wrote:

Bristol have a new manager this year though. I really liked Lee Johnson and thought it was a shame that they sacked him.

Seems to be working for them. 4 wins from 4 and top of the table.

Very early days though with a very long championship season.

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Ornstein says he's likely to stay at this stage. Its not the end of the world.
Train with better players, play some cup games to get his feet wet.

I think that's gonna be disastrous for a player that Arteta doesn't rate. Absolute nonsense to keep a nineteen year old in the stands. What guarantee is there that he's gonna get cup games in the future if he didn't even make the bench for the first two league cup rounds? Never mind the likelihood that we're going out against City in the next round.

My feeling is that his short term problems are mainly fitness/confidence related rather than arteta not rating him. A loan is preferable, but loaning him to the wrong club is equally problematic

Klaus wrote:

I think that's gonna be disastrous for a player that Arteta doesn't rate. Absolute nonsense to keep a nineteen year old in the stands. What guarantee is there that he's gonna get cup games in the future if he didn't even make the bench for the first two league cup rounds? Never mind the likelihood that we're going out against City in the next round.

No guarantee City will beat us. We will play a weakened team and so will they. We beat Liverpool away with same conditions so no reason why we can’t do the same v Man City.

Klaus wrote:

I think that's gonna be disastrous for a player that Arteta doesn't rate. Absolute nonsense to keep a nineteen year old in the stands. What guarantee is there that he's gonna get cup games in the future if he didn't even make the bench for the first two league cup rounds? Never mind the likelihood that we're going out against City in the next round.

Its a tricky situation. The loan could be good or bad staying coukd be good or bad. With the amount of injuries this guy has been getting he might be better off starting uefa Cup and league Cup games for us rather than playing week in week out and breaking down seems like hes still growing. Mari is back at Christmas so if we wanted to we can always give him easy games till then let him get used to his team mates then a loan at Christmas. Roy seems decent at coaching CB's I could see why we considered a loan their.

Norwich is a good shout.

I highly doubt it's fitness or confidence issue since he's been here from July. If it's really those 2 it reflects very badly on his mental state.

Sicario wrote:
Klaus wrote:

I think that's gonna be disastrous for a player that Arteta doesn't rate. Absolute nonsense to keep a nineteen year old in the stands. What guarantee is there that he's gonna get cup games in the future if he didn't even make the bench for the first two league cup rounds? Never mind the likelihood that we're going out against City in the next round.

No guarantee City will beat us. We will play a weakened team and so will they. We beat Liverpool away with same conditions so no reason why we can’t do the same v Man City.

Of course we can beat them, but it's more likely that we're going out against a better team.

Citys second string is a lot better than Pools too.

They fielded literally a first team in the last round of Carabao at Burnley.

Carabao is Pep's fav he wins it with his eyes closed

Brendan Rodgers was praised when he decided to acclimatize his highly rated young center back signing (Caglar Soyuncu) by having him play an entire season of reserve team football.

Why cant we do something like that with Saliba ?

Really? I thought he was starting PL games immediately. I also thought they signed him last summer, not 2018.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:

Really? I thought he was starting PL games immediately. I also thought they signed him last summer, not 2018.

He made only 4 premier league appearances and mostly played in reserves in his first season at Leicester after joining from Freiburg, where he was a guaranteed starter for two years.

Crazy. I remember we were linked with him in Emery's first summer but we went for Sokratis instead (great decision). I didn't realise Leicester made their move that same summer.

mentalvortex wrote:

He made only 4 premier league appearances and mostly played in reserves in his first season at Leicester after joining from Freiburg, where he was a guaranteed starter for two years.

I think that's a key difference right there. Saliba is 19 by contrast and has only made a handful of first team starts in his life so far. Not having him play at this age, especially after the disrupted season he had last year, is a bit ridiculous. It's how you wreck his development. Hopefully we're looking at loaning him in the January window which is only 10 weeks away.

Saliba is not the only kid we're doing this to either. There are 2-3 others that won't make the bench on most match weekends and we still haven't sent them anywhere on loan. There's still a bit of time but you have to ask questions of both Arteta and the loan manager we hired if they all stay here without getting any minutes.

You guys talk like you know more about player development than people who are paid to do this for a living.

My view is this: no one on here knows what the situation is with Saliba and most everyone is just chatting out their anus.

Playing competitive matches is important, but it's not the be all and end all of player development. They idea that we're somehow ruining their careers by keeping them here for a couple of months is a bit much.

Its October now, its only a couple of months until January, not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. As long as we manage to get him plenty of football in the latter half of the season he'll be fine.